User talk:Leoshuo#Embedding navboxes within other navboxes

Hi, I've just deleted Two Shores and Three Territories and Two Shores and Four Territories as requested. You didn't give a reason for the deletions, but I treated them as G7s, ie. requests by only author. In the future it would be great if you could remember to include one of the standard reasons (per WP:CSD) so that the attending admin doesn't have to guess. Also, this has the added advantage that it ensures you check that the page is actually in scope for speedy deletion. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Ambox warning blue.svg:Template:White English-speaking people has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Ambox warning blue.svg:Template:Ethnic groups in Taiwan has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --woodensuperman 15:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Ambox warning blue.svg:Template:Ethnic groups of Korea has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --woodensuperman 15:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Please STOP embedding navboxes within other navboxes. This is inappropriate and you are just making a horrendous mess. See WP:BRD and seek consensus for your bold edits. For the meantime reverting to the last decent version before you came along. --woodensuperman 17:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:Looking back at your edits over the past two weeks, you've made a load of edits to navboxes that really don't follow our guidelines, and quite frankly are all over the place. Before I request Administrator intervention please could you revert your edits to the last good versions and seek consensus for your preferred changes prior to making any edits to navboxes, and before you make any further edits. I appreciate that you are a new editor, but without seeking that consensus from more experienced editors I can only assume that you are WP:NOTHERE to contribute constructively. --woodensuperman 18:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you for your suggestions. Nevertheless, after thoroughly reading WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, I understand that it is entirely your personal preference that relevant navboxes cannot be incorporated into other navboxes. After reading WP:SMALLTEXT, I understand that I did not make any mistake against it. Wikipedia:NOTHERE is a strong allegation. Please try to carefully use those allegations. I have agreed that the template for White English-speaking people should be deleted. That was a navbox I made in an earlier stage, but I am satisfied that all other navboxes I created are necessary and consistent with their main articles. I would like to talk with the Administrators for those issues. I appreciate that you have plenty of time and energy, and I would love to see you making more good-quality articles Leoshuo (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Honestly, there are so many more issues with your edits. For example, in the template {{tl|Ethnic groups in Japan}} you have changed the title link from Ethnic groups of Japan to a subsection of another page completely, but still use the same title for the link. See WP:EGG. Please revert the templates to the last good versions and seek consensus for your changes. This is a mess. --woodensuperman 18:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::::I appreciate your support if that comes from your kindness and helpfulness. Can you please clarify? Are you saying that Demographics_of_Japan#Ethnic groups should not be titled with "Ethnic groups of Japan"? Thank you. Leoshuo (talk) 18:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::::Thank you for your suggestions. To this point, I agree with you. I have changed the link from Demographics_of_Japan#Ethnic groups to Ethnic groups of Japan Leoshuo (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::That is just one of many inappropriate edits. Per previous message and per WP:BRD, please revert all your navbox edits and discuss. You need to follow this procedure. You made a lot of bold edits, I reverted, now you need to discuss and seek consensus for your changes. Until then the navboxes need to remain at the status quo, the last good versions. --woodensuperman 19:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::Unfortunately, I cannot satisfy your personal preferences. I appreciate that you have plenty of time and energy, and I would love to see you making more good-quality articles. While it is a good practice to link Wikipedia supplemental pages such as Wikipedia:NOTHERE, but it should not be a way to abuse people. I have explained you why your allegations such as Wikipedia:BIDIRECTIONAL and Wikipedia:SMALLTEXT are invalid. So far I don't know any administrator, I would like to discuss this matter to someone you find suitable if necessary. Thank you Leoshuo (talk) 19:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Please follow the process of WP:BRD, or I'll bring your conduct up with an admin. Your edits have been challenged, you need to discuss and find consensus for YOUR personal preference. Until then the navboxes need to remain in the condition they were in before your controversial edits. --woodensuperman 19:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::::Well I said go ahead twice. I encouraged you to do so. As long as you are discussing this matter openly and realistically, you are doing something good for the Wikipedia Leoshuo (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::Okay, thanks for giving the go ahead to revert per WP:BRD. Will make the changes back to the status quo and leave leave you to make your proposals on the relevant template talk pages. --woodensuperman 19:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::::::No, I said you should bring an administrator here, instead of make any change on those fields that are probably not of your expertise. Your vandalisms will be removed Leoshuo (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::::Please read WP:NOTVANDALISM. --woodensuperman 11:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::::For your convenience, everything you want to challenge is here: :Category:Ethnic groups in Sinosphere templates Leoshuo (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::Rather than embed all these navboxes into one another, if you truly believe they should all be viewed together you should seek consensus to merge properly, like I have done at this discussion page. Otherwise they should remain as discrete navboxes for each topic. --woodensuperman 10:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--woodensuperman 11:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Stop hand nuvola.svg You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make disruptive edits to Wikipedia contrary to the Manual of Style, as you did at :Template:Immigration to China. No small text in navboxes per WP:SMALLTEXT --woodensuperman 16:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Information.svg Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours has an edit summary that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. Stop accusing others of vandalism - Please read WP:NOTVANDALISM --woodensuperman 16:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Stop hand nuvola.svg You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove an Articles for deletion notice or a comment from an AfD discussion, as you did at :Template:Ethnic groups of Korea. --woodensuperman 16:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:@Bbb23 Remember, you left this message. You should not forget your obligation to handle this matter further when it is required Leoshuo (talk) 22:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

::Link to ANI thread -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions to Hong Kong and Macao. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and it appears to violate WP:NOR.

I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page.

When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Leoshuo. Thank you for your work on Tuhua (Chinese dialect). Another editor, North8000, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

{{Bq|1=Good start}}

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{code|{{Re|North8000}}}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

North8000 (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions to Pinghua and Tuhua. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability.

I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page.

When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bbb23,

Your friend @Woodensuperman made a comment on Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_21#Template:Ethnic_groups_in_Taiwan saying "the creator of this template has been blocked for making exactly these kind of edits."

He was saying that I was blocked exactly because I embeded other navboxes in the navboxes I made.

Can you clarify if this is ONE OF the reasons why I was blocked PERMANENTLY? Note, I am not asking you about any other reason, which are not relevant to this question, I am asking you if this is one of the reasons that I was blocked.

Leoshuo Leoshuo (talk) 18:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:@Bbb23 I can see multiple edits of you Special:Contributions/Bbb23 after I asked you this question. Are you going to keep ignoring it?

:You acted swiftly on request of your friend @Woodensuperman when you blocked me.

:Why are you pretending that nothing is going on here? Leoshuo (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

::Others can figure out what happened without my involvement.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:::@Bbb23, let me clarify what I am asking you.

:::Your friend @Woodensuperman made a comment on Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_21#Template:Ethnic_groups_in_Taiwan saying "the creator of this template has been blocked for making exactly these kind of edits."

:::He was saying that I was blocked exactly because I embeded other navboxes in the navboxes I made.

:::Can you clarify if this is ONE OF the reasons why I was blocked PERMANENTLY? Note, I am not asking you about any other reason, which are not relevant to this question, I am asking you if this is one of the reasons that I was blocked. Leoshuo (talk) 00:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

::::Stop pinging me.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::@Bbb23 You abusively wielded your power and blocked me idefinitely unlegitimately. You did the wrong thing. Are you not ashamed? Do you want to block me from using my talk page? Yes/No? Leoshuo (talk) 00:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::I am not even asking you to unblock me, because it is not appropriate for someone who abused his power to rehabitate this as if nothing happened. I asked you to clarify the reason why I was blocked. @Woodensuperman said that I was blocked exactly because I embeded other navboxes in the navboxes I made.

:::::Can you clarify if his statement was correct or not? This is Wikipedia for mankind, not Wikipedia for you and him. Isn't it? Leoshuo (talk) 01:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::@Bbb23 did you see what I asked you? You MUST answer this question. BTW, I have other questions waiting for you. Can you tolerate the violation against Wikipedia:Don't lie from @Woodensuperman lying to other about the reason why you blocked me, intimidating others that they can be blocked if they don't follow the way he thinks. how a navbox should be like. DO NOT pretend you did not see this message.

:::::Your friend @Woodensuperman made a comment on Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_21#Template:Ethnic_groups_in_Taiwan saying "the creator of this template has been blocked for making exactly these kind of edits."

:::::He was saying that I was blocked exactly because I embeded other navboxes in the navboxes I made.

:::::Can you clarify if this is ONE OF the reasons why I was blocked PERMANENTLY? Note, I am not asking you about any other reason, which are not relevant to this question, I am asking you if this is one of the reasons that I was blocked. Leoshuo (talk) 10:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

::::Deepfriedokra Leoshuo (talk) 02:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

::::@Deepfriedokra Any comment? Leoshuo (talk) 02:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::Looking at your talk page, the navbox problem is just one of many ways you've edited disruptively. If you wish to seek unblocking, please follow the instruction in the block notice to do so. Thanks, -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::If you don't have an answer to my question to @Bbb23 and @Woodensuperman, you can leave this conversation. I did not invite you here, although you have the right to keep commenting here. Wikipedia is not a black box, any tyrannical comment or action will be recorded. I am seeking my answer to this particular question, and I can read. I read the reason @Bbb23 gave and every page in relation to this matter, which has been carefully recorded by myself.

::::::@Woodensuperman's comment on Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_21#Template:Ethnic groups in Taiwan, AND the way he utilised my blocking and swiftly sought speedy deletion (https://archive.ph/2qHi0) & (https://archive.ph/rdnru) (not even willing to wait until the end of the deletion discussion initiated by himself) right after I was blocked by his friend @Bbb23 showed a pattern that he was not trying to be neutral or objective to protect the knowledge, but being personal.

::::::He was telling people that something should to be deleted immediately, just because someone was blocked. That is very misleading to other Wikipedians.

::::::He was also telling others that the navboxes should be in the way he like. Otherwise, people may be blocked just like me, because "Also note that the creator of this template has been blocked for making exactly these kind of edits." That is also quite misleading to other Wikipedians.

::::::Why should I seek unblocking before I settle these matters? I don't make money from Wikipedia, just like you and others. I should also remind that @Bbb23 was making an inadequate notice when he blocked me, because "unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~" is not the only way to seek unblocking, especially when he made an indefinite block, not just a few days block. That requires even more detailed notice regarding how to seek unblocking or appeal.

::::::Being an administrator is a responsibility, not a privilege. I need an answer from him Leoshuo (talk) 03:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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