I just declined a CSD on this - if you want to keep this, can you move it to a regular user page so patrollers don't keep trying to CSD it? If you don't want it, you can tag it for deletion yourself. Thanks! -- asilvering (talk) 21:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Asilvering}} no stress, thanks for letting me know. I tagged it for deletion. Kind regards, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 06:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hi there

I have repeatedly tried to have a sensible discussion about tall buildings on the talk page of the relevant list articles, and either been ignored or given circular arguments about what CTBUH says.

It's a simple fact that a tower is not intrisically a 'non-building structure', and indeed many of the buildings on the tallest building list have 'tower' or an equivalent word like 'burj' in their names, because they are, in fact, towers. The text I removed from the introduction is nonsense on the face of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|GenevieveDEon}} how we define tower and building is pretty consisted across Wikipedia, using CTBUH and other reliable sources. I don't know which reliable source you can find that mixes both habitable structures (like Burj Khalifa) and non-habitable structures (i.e., like the Eifel Tower) and defines both as "buildings" -- but I'm all ears/eyes.

:Furthermore, just because a building is named "X Tower" doesn't make it a tower - I don't see how that's a sensible discussion point. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 07:43, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::The idea that 'tower' and 'building' are mutually-exclusive classes is ridiculous. Merriam-Webster (for example) defines a tower as "a building or structure typically higher than its diameter and high relative to its surroundings". I think most people, if you asked them to define 'tower' would use the word 'building' in their answer. The sentence I removed refers to 'non-building structures, such as towers'. Now aside from the fact that 'non-building structures' is hideously clunky writing and not good style for a lead paragraph, 'towers' are not an example of 'non-building structures', because many towers are, in fact, buildings. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Part of the lead is defining what the article is discussing, and I think it's an obvious important clarification to make - that this article discusses habitable structures (as opposed to non-habitable). Whilst some towers (as defined in the tower article) can be classified as buildings, not all towers are buildings—many are structures without floors, habitable space, or intended occupancy, which disqualifies them from being listed in the article we're discussing. Reliable sources such as CTBUH and Emporis distinguish between "towers" and "buildings" in their works - as should we. So, whilst the terms may overlap in casual usage, for classification purposes, especially in architectural or encyclopedic contexts, I believe it's important to maintain this distinction.

:::I would be open to a change, however, to "non-{{tq|habitable}} structures" and even provide an example ("such as the observation tower Tokyo Skytree") — thoughts? —MelbourneStar☆^talk 08:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::::My apologies - I didn't get a notification of this reply. Yes, I think there's definitely potential for a change here that better expresses the actual distinction being drawn. But I still don't feel that using 'tower' as the distinguishing term is a good idea, for the reasons I've already outlined. It really flies in the face of ordinary usage, including within the field of tall buildings, to an extent that's very confusing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)