User talk:MinorProphet#Translation

Please see Tamzin's talk page for more disussion. I would be willing to unblock on my own except this is a WP:Zero tolerance matter. My gut is that the problem will not recur. I would endorse an unblock, but as an ANI discussion got us here, it might be best to carry the unblock request to WP:AN. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:I am pretty open to an unblock depending on MP's answer to my question above. I don't think there needs to be any rush to unblock them while that question is still pending. I have no problem referring this to AN if MP wants, but there's no need to rush down that path, especially when MP has yet to reply. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 14:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Indeed, no need to rush. I am beholden to the community for its for forbearance. Thanks to all for your intelligent and meaningful thoughts about my recent transgression, for which I again completely and utterly apologise. I am especially grateful to DuncanHill for sticking their neck out on my behalf on Tamzin's talk page. I'm not sure that I deserve such whole-hearted and unconditional support over a wholly intellectual, yet deeply-felt, metaphysically important issue. Thank you.
I understand and appreciate all your concerns. However, various issues have been raised by a number of editors, which may benefit from some explanation on my part: the reasons for my unconscionable actions are many and varied.
Looking back, the edit I made on my talk page which has led to these fully-justified recriminations was essentially about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magistrate_(England_and_Wales)&oldid=1282535007 this reverted edit] on 27 March 2025 (which included my un-encyclopedic personal comments in the hidden text), and including my edit comment about magistrates. I suggest that the published edit itself was well-written, properly reffed, and entirely uncontroversial. The article has since been edited to further amplify what I wrote about 'beaks', the edit comment taking note of my (reverted) edit with no reversion.
I now understand that I should have addressed this point at the time on the talk page, rather than let it fester in my subconscious. I did indeed forget about the entire episode until another hugely-respected editor totally unconcerned with this discussion posted on my talk page, which is usually quiescent.

::To sum up - I should have addressed this reversion at the time on the talk page, because in my opinion it was reverted because of my hidden and edit comments, and not because of its published and publicly visible content. If it needs repeating, I thoroughly regret my hasty and beastly comments to the editor concerned.

::I still have to explain how I intend to stick by my intention to keep the peace. There is a phrase or saying, "Never make a promise you can't keep." I've never done that since I came across that particular snippet of wisdom: but I will do my level best. That's the most anyone can ever expect. Anyone can fall over the cliff on which we teeter at any time. A block of significant duration—as I suggested—might remind me daily of what is at stake, of what is expected of us all, to keep WP in the vanguard of intelligent and reliable public knowledge, to which we all, as volunteers, contribute. MinorProphet (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the response, MinorProphet. I appreciate your honesty in your final paragraph. One's level best is indeed all we can ask. A six-month block is, to be honest, a more punitive approach than I'd rather. Deterrence is a valid form of prevention, so such a block wouldn't violate the rule against punitive blocks, but all things being equal I'd always rather have a conversation with an editor and see if we can talk things through and get to that point of "no longer necessary to prevent damage or disruption". But I appreciate that the latter can be a big ask. Someone might not just have an answer ready at-hand, or that conversation might be difficult to have for any number of reasons. I don't know what your life is like, and I will make no assumptions, but I can speak from my own experience, and I know there have been things I've said and done in my life—usually less because of substances and more because of my brain's miraculous ability to manifest similar states of mind all on its own—where any explanation of how I planned to avoid a recurrence would have been deeply personal. I also know from those experiences that no one should be judged by their worst moment, and I have been lucky enough to not be judged by mine, on Wikipedia or in my personal life. The challenge for an admin, then, is balancing that principle with making sure that a reasonable editor would not feel unsafe to work alongside someone in the future, hence my line of questioning here.{{pb}}So here's where I come down. If your answer to avoiding a recurrence is that you think the deterrent effect of a six-month block would suffice, then I think that's a fair enough answer, and am happy to commute thusly. In addition, if at any point in those six months you want to have a longer discussion about whatever steps you may have taken, reflections you may have had, etc., that you think show you'll be able to avoid a recurrence, then I'm happy to have that conversation, or for you to have it with the community at WP:AN. There is, however, one peculiarity of this situation: Usually, in a case like this, one of the biggest questions would be the feelings of the person who was on the receiving end of the comment, but in this case they actually haven't edited for a month, and I don't think it would be fair to ping them to this when it's possible they will otherwise never even know about your belated reply, which would probably be for the best. So I'd want to add one condition to the commutation, which is essentially a suspended IBAN: no sanction now, but if they turn up a month from now and say "Whoa I just saw what this person said to me in May, and I do not feel safe around them", then an admin would be allowed to impose a 1-way ban, appealable to AN per usual.{{pb}}To be clear, as the blocking admin, I can accept an unblock but can't decline it, so please don't feel obliged to agree to this. If you would rather see what happens with whichever CAT:UNB-patroller comes along, or appeal this to AN, just let me know and I'll be out of your hair. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 18:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::: Many thanks for your swift reply. If I am correct, you are offering me a conditional unblock forthwith, subject to a suspended IBAN. Any infraction of these simple conditions will involve me in greater jeopardy. If this not so, please explain in simpler terms. Otherwise, if this is the case, I unreservedly agree, and hope to do better in future. MinorProphet (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, I'll be clearer. The offer is:

:::::* Your block is commuted to six months (from the time of the original block)

:::::* There is a suspended IBAN if Ekecdnkoewihdouuepiw ever wants one

:::::* You may be unblocked in fewer than six months if, at any point in that timeframe, you can convince me or an AN consensus that you've taken appropriate steps to avoid this happening again.{{pb}}(I realize that's a bit nebulous, but I don't want to presuppose what that would be, because like I said I'm making no assumptions about your life. Things that someone in the same situation could point to, though, would include working on conflict avoidance, reducing alcohol consumption, meditating a lot and finding greater inner peace, avoiding computer use while inebriated, going to therapy or anger management, actual technical limitations on computer use while inebriated, and so on. Again, not saying that any of those things in particular would be applicable to you; just illustrating the breadth of things that could satisfy this.)

:::::FYI, I'll be going to sleep shortly, but will check in on this in the morning. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 19:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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I completely agree to your conditions of a six-month block as above, which will allow me ample time to reflect on my reprehensible actions. See Frankpledge. Very best wishes to all my friends and colleagues (you know who you are): Au revoir, mes amis; Auf wiedersehen, meine Freunden und Freundinnen; Ciao, amici mei; До свидания, друзья мои; Ave atque vale! Moriturus vos saluto. NB: Note to self: must do better next time. MinorProphet (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)