User talk:PamD#top

Hello Pam D,

Can I enlist your help, please? Not wishing to start an editing dispute, over my recent fair additions to Mandell Creighton's article, mainly, the omission of his wife's image and the important project she founded in her husband's memory in Lillie Road, Fulham, i.e. "Bishop Creighton House", could you look and see if the recent 'trims' of my work are over-zealous, not to say proprietorial. In fact, they make me laugh. Nevertheless, your judgment in the matter would be appreciated when you have a moment. Many thanks, Po Mieczu (talk) 00:04, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:I've made a bit of a change, as a compromise between your version and the over-trimmed one, and a comment on the disappearance of the photo. The Lillie Road article could perhaps have a bit more about the settlement, rather than just a list entry and an image? PamD 08:49, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:Could I also recommend that you create a user page - even if it only contains a single full stop. There's a tendency for editors to see, perhaps even subliminally, "red linked editor = new / inexperienced / odd", and also I often edit on my phone and from there it is very difficult to see the contributions record of an editor without a user page, which I wanted to do to see your range of editing interests. (Mobile editing is a bit of a nightmare, but is convenient for me at some times of day). PamD 08:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your helpful remarks and actions. I see, as doubtless you did, that these have been trimmed too! Hmm, certain psychological proclivities come to mind. I shall act on your suggestion around the full stop. Best wishes, Po Mieczu (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

::::I see signs of WP:OWNership, but I suppose that's inevitable if one is trying to get something to FA: it just looks as if FA criteria about elegant spacing etc are overweighing actual "is the reader likely to find this interesting or useful" criteria: I think the pic with his name for the house, and also the info showing that the charity is alive and well and an officially registered charity, are worthwhile, but I'm afraid I haven't the energy to fight further. PamD 23:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hello again. Like you, having lacked energy of late, I did not follow up your recommendation re User profile until now. I have made a start. Thanks, Po Mieczu (talk) 00:32, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::Back after a pause, on this Mum's Day and have ventured back onto the Mandell Creighton Talk page. I think there's an error in the infobox. I'm not an Anglican, but don't clergy have to be ordained before being consecrated bishop? In this case the consecration appears to be 1891 and the ordination in 1893. Maybe I have misunderstood something in the order of Church play. Btw thanks to you, I have expanded on the full stop on my own Talk Page and am now all in blue like a newish UK passport! Best wishes, Po Mieczu (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Po Mieczu Text of article shows ordination 1873, but I'll leave it to the article's apparent Owner to fix it: I see you've raised it on talk page. PamD 18:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Precisely. Thank you for your eagle-eye. Po Mieczu (talk) 20:30, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

== February and March music ==

For curious page-watchers: we're talking about the recently-deceased Simon Lindley. PamD 19:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for a decent ref for Lindley and for your support for the composer, with spring flowers and a songbird (in places)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:@Gerda Arendt I sang under him for a few years when he was chorus-master and conductor for Leeds College of Music Choral Society. Exciting and infuriating. Seen in his element at the annual Carol concert in Leeds Parish Church (now Minster), conducting the combined forces of that CLCM choir, his elite St Peter's Singers, the choral foundation of the parish church (men, boys, and even girls), and a top-notch brass band. My father (1917-2009) once came across to Leeds to join a "come and sing" Messiah conducted by SL, and said he'd never sung it so fast before! A sad loss to Leeds, where he made so much music. I'm sure there will be more good obits in solid sources, given a few days. And I wonder whether the RFC will end up changing (for the better) a longstanding situation: very interesting. PamD 18:30, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:: Thank you for sharing! Can you please begin improving his article? - I'd like that tag to go, and the obit could be used for more than his death (while Bach Cantatas should eventually go to the external links). I plan to get him to main page standard tomorrow, - I almost gave up on that idea with just the short obit, but what you added was a game changer. - Today I want to focus of the last of Bach's chorale cantatas that needs improvements to be GA, composed for this Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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:: Thank you so much for adding! I gave him a first run-through, taking more from the obit. I skipped some passages, such as about his influence on the young people with whom he worked, because I don't have enough language ability to paraphrase that while retaining the meaning. Could you? There's a sentence at the very end without ref, which I commented out because I nominated for RD, and lack of refs is the first thing they check ;) - Please check what I did, and feel free to modify and expand further. I'll turn to garden work and the cantata before thinking of a second round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:: He already got support. Thank you also for giving a few examples. Laurence Olivier is of particular interest to me because there was an RfC (and also because I was taken to AE for asking if really the principal editors should decide). Almost all recent composer's FAs also have an infobox: Carl Nielsen (2015), Osbert Parsley (2022), Robert Schumann (2024, had it before FAC), Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji (2020), Igor Stravinsky (2024), Artemy Vedel (2022). Discussions were also for Mozart, Mendelssohn, Wagner, Debussy and Mahler, - Mozart, Mandelssohn and Wagner received an infobox, Debussy and Mahler not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I got side-tracked onto the "Leeds Award" which SL got, which I hadn't heard of - found a list of recipients and the fact that Jimmy Savile was given it and it was posthumously rescinded and his name removed from the wall of fame in Leeds Civic Hall! Working on it and its recipients in my sandbox. And as yesterday was the 1st of the month I want to crack on with the month's contributions to WP:Women in Red. (And I ought to be sorting out paperwork, garden, housework... etc). Not to mention rehearsing and recording for Choir of the Earth ([https://choiroftheearth.com/ COTE]) (hmm, that section needs an update - not least that it's now become part of Earth Choir Academy, which needs a mention and a redirect). PamD 15:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:::: I know the feeling. Wanted to ask for expanding the choir articles, but better keep my mouth shut. Nice to see him on the Main page. Also there today: Carmen turning 150, as the main page and my story tell you. I chose a 1962 concert of the Habanera, - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

:::: On Ravel's birthday, we also think of a conductor and five more composers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

:::: Today I could have written five stories off the main page, and chose Sofia Gubaidulina. I find the TFA also interesting, and two DYK, and a birthday OTD. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::I don't always look at the main page. Today spent a bit of time updating a couple of articles about US National Monuments which DT has decided to abolish. And found another example to include in my old favourite The Boy with the Leaking Boot which I created ages ago. And I ought to have been cleaning the house ahead of my book group meeting here in a couple of days, when I've got two very busy days lined up between now and then! PamD 22:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Thank you for sharing! - I had busy days on vacation, keep looking at places. Today: an opera, 100 years old OTD, on Bach's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

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:@Clovermoss Thank you. I'm happy to help by explaining stuff: there's always something new to learn about editing! PamD 23:07, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello Pamd. Tawinan Anukoolprasert, Jiratchapong Srisang, Thasorn Klinnium, Polytechnic University, Dawei, if you happen to have some time, I would greatly appreciate it if you could kindly review the article and share your feedback. Your insights and valuable suggestions are highly respected and would contribute meaningfully to its improvement.

Yuzy (talk) 04:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:@Yuzy Okkotsu1 The lead sentence and the infobox should tell us which country the uni is in. Please use the "trans-title" field to add an English version of your reference titles. There's a ref which has the wrong info as "first" and "last". PamD 05:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for your feedback. I have updated the article accordingly. Added the country name to both the lead sentence and the infobox, as per the guidelines. Included English translations for non-English source titles using the trans-title parameter. Corrected the first and last fields in the citations to accurately reflect the authors' names.Yuzy (talk) 06:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't know which article you've updated, but Polytechnic University, Dawei still doesn't show the country or the English titles of the articles.

:::I have very little interest in actors of any nationality, and I have no idea whether any of those three are Notable in wikipedia terms. But looking at Jiratchapong Srisang I see he is referred to in the text as "Force" (which is mentioned as a nickname), "Jiratchapong", and "Force Jiratchapong", and the DEFAULTSORT for the article is "Srisang, Jiratchapong" although with other sortings for Thai categories. I don't know anything about Thai naming rules but this looks inconsistent: he should be written of in the article using one consistent version of his name, which for a British person would be their family name or surname. Again, that article didn't have translated titles of the non-English references.

:::But, really, I don't feel inclined to spend much more time on a group of actors of any nationality, and I don't think I'm going to do so. Happy Editing! PamD 07:57, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you very much for your detailed feedback, PamD.Yuzy (talk) 08:05, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::I noticed that you redirected the university to its previous name; I have reversed this, creating a new sourced stub about Polytechnic University, Dawei at that title, with redirects from the names of the two previous universities. Please expand the article with sourced information, and copyright-free images, but note that details of all the available courses are not needed in an encyclopedia article. Thanks. PamD 11:06, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::But on further consideration it seems that the commonly-used form of the name is Polytechnic University (Dawei), and I have moved the article to that name. PamD 11:38, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Thank you for the update, PamD. I understand the reasoning behind using Polytechnic University (Dawei) as the article title, and I agree that using the commonly recognized form makes sense. I’ll continue improving the article under the new title. Appreciate your guidance! Yuzy (talk) 11:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::@Yuzy Okkotsu1 Google translate suggests that [https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%95%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%9C%E1%80%AE%E1%80%90%E1%80%80%E1%80%B9%E1%80%80%E1%80%94%E1%80%85%E1%80%BA%E1%80%90%E1%80%80%E1%80%B9%E1%80%80%E1%80%9E%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BA_(%E1%80%91%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9D%E1%80%9A%E1%80%BA) the article in my.wiki] has a couple of sources which might be useful as good sources to expand the article, but I don't read Burmese. Remember to give the English translation of the title of anything you use as a reference. PamD 12:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Thank you, PamD, for your comment. You're right some of the Burmese-language sources used in the article may contain useful information that could help expand or improve it. I will go through the sources and, where appropriate, provide English translations of the titles and summarize their content to support the article more clearly. If you have any suggestions on which parts need more sourcing or elaboration, I’d be happy to work on that as well. Yuzy (talk) 12:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)