User talk:Pigsonthewing/Archive 72#Impact

I think you're asking for trouble by making that change. You might ask {{ping|Slimvirgin}} or {{ping|Jytdog}} to do it for you.--v/r - TP 04:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Dear Editor Pigsonthewing, thank you for attending to archiving of Talk:Causality. Sorry to say, there is a problem. Important live talk comments have been archived prematurely, and antediluvian and undated old comments still remain on the page. This is a serious problem.

I think the best move would be to restore all posts less than a year old, and to archive all earlier ones. I don't know if that is feasible? The undated ones can be difficult to deal with.Chjoaygame (talk) 01:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

: Before archiving, the page was 188,845 bytes long. That's far, far too big, and makes the page difficult for some people to read, and for others to edit. The archiving is now set so that any section which has been edited in the last 30 days remains on the page, so no "live talk comments" are archived. Indeed, the most recent comment archived was made over two months ago. Undated comments should have {{tl|Unsigned}} appended - I've done some, so you can see how it works; as a result, they should be archived within a few hours. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Nice work on the {{Tl|TED talk}}!! Thanks for this. Not sure I am allowed to use it, but it's there for future generations I suppose. Jane (talk) 19:13, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Jane023}} Thanks. You can certainly use it to replace bare links, which I have also been doing; though I have an open request for a bot to do so en mass. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:32, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

::Wow that would be really cool! And thanks for letting me know about the link replacement. We just had another art collection here in the Netherlands (Boijmans) update their website and they changed all the links. Jane (talk) 07:09, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I restored my revision on account of "regime" being a loaded term, but then I rewrote the passage choosing different language entirely. Concerning the question of "sources" using the term, I opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Regime which has had little feedback but is nonetheless open (not pushed into archive yet). I welcome your opinion as I do everyone's though I'd also ask you to consider the points made in the discussion; I was also involved in a related discussion at Talk:Apostrof where you'll see I provided sources that the term is loaded if used as a label and not for its primary meaning. --OJ (talk) 15:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

:So you did. Stop edit warring, and use the article talk page, as requested. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:37, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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hello. Zapb8 (talk) 10:49, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Andy, thanks for teaching us about Wikipedia. Bluehanakawa (talk) 10:49, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

can you buy me a beer. Franfoy (talk) 10:49, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello. Amjames08 (talk) 10:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Really enjoying this Andy. Glenn Jame23 (talk) 10:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Andy. You might want to check out a template I have made along the lines of what we previously discussed, useful for Orcid as well as various other database. Take a look and tell me what you think. To accommodate it within the citation templates I am going to propose a {{para|authorN-id}} parameter. Would you like to join me in that? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk)

:{{Ping|J. Johnson}} I'm happy to participate in discussions. That said, please change the parameter names to match those in, for example {{Tl|Authority control}}. And please apply {{Tl|Abbr}} to the abbreviations you have used in the display. The template also needs tracking categories, like those used by {{Tld|Authority control}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks for the suggestions. I'm still working on the categories and such (this is my first ever template!); will take Authority control as a guide. Though I am thinking of holding off a little bit until I am more certain of how stable the template is. But two questions. 1) Re abbreviations, you are suggesting that (e.g.) ORICD should be spelled out? My thinking is that the template documentation is not a general article, so if any editor is not familiar with an abbreviation or such linking to the proper article should suffice. No? 2) I don't believe there is any problem adding the longer names for parameters. I should like to retain the shorter versions. Is there any problem with that? (Ideally I'd like to have parameters work with the minimum characters sufficient to distinguish them, but this doesn't seem to be an option here. So I am okay with duplication.) ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:44, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|J. Johnson}} 1) No, I'm saying "O" should be marked as an abbreviation of "ORCID", etc. 2) Longer names should be used, for consistency, and for clarity. Also, there should be non-linking character (even if only a thin-space) between "o" and "s" in you example). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:10, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

::::I put in hair-spaces. As to abbreviations: would a table showing each parameter with the database accessed be sufficient? I am reluctant to not having the single-character parameter names (in the context of this template I think they are clear enough). Is there any objection to retaining those in addition to having the longer named parameters? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 18:33, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

::{{ping|Pigsonthewing}} I don't understand just how you want to apply {abbr}. You said in the display. Do you mean in the documentation? Or something like ^{[http://orcid.org/0000-0002-1825-0097 {{abbr|o|ORCID}}]}? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:55, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|J. Johnson}} The latter. (No need to ping editors on their own talk pages, BTW) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:11, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

::::Yes, but I was wondering if you had overlooked this. Okay, I think I understand about the {abbr/tooltip} thing, and will attempt to add that. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk)

Okay, I can use some help. Adding {{tl|abbr}} to {{tl|authorid}} generates extraneous, non-visible characters, which {{tl|citation}} objects to with error messages. So I jiggered the 'v' option (only) in authorid to use {{tl|abbr/sandbox}}, and in the latter started stripping everything down. Checking {{tl|authorid/testcases}}, 'v' gives no problems (and works), while 'g' shows the problem using {{tl|abbr}}. The problem seems to come from the '#tag'. Any suggestions as to what I should do next? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

:{{tps}} I think the non-visible character error will go away over the weekend when the citation module is updated, specifically this madness.

:Current Citation template:

:*{{Citation

|last1= Einstein |first1= A.{{authorid|v=75121530|g= qc6CJjYAAAAj}}

|last2= Poldosky |first2= B.{{authorid|v=43709449}}

|last3= Rosen |first3= R.{{authorid|v=105693343}}

|date= May 15, 1935

|title= Can ... reality be considered complete?

|journal= Physical Review

|volume= 47 |issue= 10 |pages= 777-780

|url= http://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777

}}.

:Next week's Citation template:

:*{{Citation/new

|last1= Einstein |first1= A.{{authorid|v=75121530|g= qc6CJjYAAAAj}}

|last2= Poldosky |first2= B.{{authorid|v=43709449}}

|last3= Rosen |first3= R.{{authorid|v=105693343}}

|date= May 15, 1935

|title= Can ... reality be considered complete?

|journal= Physical Review

|volume= 47 |issue= 10 |pages= 777-780

|url= http://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777

}}.

:Can you hold on for a couple of days? Apologies for butting in if I am misinterpreting your message above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:00, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Jonesey95}} Thank you. {{Ping|J. Johnson}} The superscript characters need to be made non-printing, as they'll serve no function on paper. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|Jonesey95}} Sure, no problem. Will that actually remove the non-visible characters (which I suspect come from "#tag"), or just suppress the error message?

:::Andy: Would adding 'class="noprint"' to the span suffice? Or should I use {{tl|noprint}}? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

::::{{Ping|J. Johnson}} I think the class alone would do it; but I'm no expert. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

:::::Well, I got "noprint" to co-exist with "plainlinks", and in my test case (Leech River Fault; see "Fairchild") the link goes away in the "printable" version. But still shows up in the pdf. I don't know if that is fixable. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

::::::I don't know how it works; I just know that the error message is gone. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:18, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, it seems to work fine now. Thanks for whatever you did. I've pulled the testing modifications and put the template into production form. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:29, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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This month:

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In the last issue of the WikiProject X Newsletter, I discussed the upcoming Wikipedia Requests system: a central database for outstanding work on Wikipedia. I am pleased to announce [https://wpx.wmflabs.org/requests/en Wikipedia Requests] is live! Its purpose is to supplement automatically generated lists, such as those from SuggestBot, Reports bot, or Wikidata. It is currently being demonstrated on WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health (which I work on as part of my NIOSH duties) and WikiProject Women scientists.

Adding a request is as simple as filling out a form. Just go to the [https://wpx.wmflabs.org/requests/en/add Add form] to add your request. Adding sources will help ensure that your request is fulfilled more quickly. And when a request is fulfilled, simply click "mark as complete" and it will be removed from all the lists it's on. All at the click of a button! (If anyone is concerned, all actions are logged.)

With this new service is a template to transclude these requests: {{tl|Wikipedia Requests}}. It's simple to use: add the template to a page, specifying article=, category=, or wikiproject=, and the list will be transcluded. For example, for requests having to do with all living people, just do {{tlx|Wikipedia Requests|2=category=Living people}}. Use these lists on WikiProjects but also for edit-a-thons where you want a convenient list of things to do on hand. Give it a shot!

The value of Wikipedia Requests comes from being a centralized database. The long work to migrating individual lists into this combined list is slowly underway. As of writing, we have 883 open tasks logged in Wikipedia Requests. We need your help building this list.

If you know of a list of missing articles, or of outstanding tasks for existing articles, that you would like to migrate to this new system, head on over to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Requests#Transition project and help out. Doing this will help put your list in front of more eyes—more than just your own WikiProject.

WikiProject X maintains a database that associates article talk pages (and draft talk pages) with WikiProjects. This database powers many of the reports that Reports bot generates. However, until very recently, this database was not made available to others who might find its data useful. It's only common sense to open up the database and let others build tools with it.

And indeed: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/citationhunt/en Citation Hunt], the game to add citations to Wikipedia, now lets you filter by WikiProject, using the data from our database.

Are you a tool developer interested in using this? Here are some details: the database resides on Tool Labs with the name s52475__wpx_p. The table that associates WikiProjects with articles and drafts is called projectindex. Pages are stored by talk page title but in the future this should change. Have fun!

• The work on the CollaborationKit extension continues. The extension will initially focus on reducing template and Lua bloat on WikiProjects (especially our WPX UI demonstration projects), and will from there create custom interfaces for creating and maintaining WikiProjects.
• The WikiCite meeting will be in Berlin in May. The goal of the meeting is to figure out how to build a bibliographic database for use on the Wikimedia projects. This fits in quite nicely with WikiProject X's work: we want to make it easier for people to find things to work on, and with a powerful, open bibliographic database, we can build recommendations for sources. This feature was [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111066 requested by the Wikipedia Library] back in September, and this meeting is a major next step. We look forward to seeing what comes out of this meeting.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hey there, Pig on Wing:

I saw the template you placed on Mire regarding the conflict with bog. The link to the talk page archive seems to have been removed, making the conversation difficult to follow... Do you want the mire article to retain the tag? If so, can you restore some kind of link to a conversation that editor can pursue? (not that you deleted one! Only that one would be useful!). THANK YOU! KDS4444^Talk 10:34, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

:{{Ping|KDS4444}} Done. Please de-colour your sig, per MOS:COLOUR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Okay. I didn't realize it was bothersome, but I certainly understand (although it doesn't look like MOS:COLOUR gives any direction or even suggestions on the use of colors in signatures other than to assist the color-blind and on tables— do you think it should, perhaps?). KDS4444 (talk) 20:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for adding the auto-archive to Charles-Valentin Alkan, but it somehow seems to have archived the more recent comments and left behind those of several years ago - any way of correcting this? Best, --Smerus (talk) 10:17, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

:The bot does not archive undated comments. I've applied some fixes, using {{Tl|Unsigned}}; this should all be resolved the next time the bot passes by. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

::Brill, very many thanks!.--Smerus (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2016 (UTC)