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Hi, I notice that you reinstated your deletion and redirection of the Daniel M. Holland medal. I disagree with your reasoning and I worked hard to make the medal its own page.

Yes, it is true that a number of entries cite from the NTA website. Naturally, the reasons for why an awardee was given the medal are given on the NTA website. If you go to the Fields medal, the citations for why an awardee received an award are going to be from the International Mathematical Union.

I also see that you've marked my article under the "Wikipedia is not a directory" tag. I don't see where my article fits in terms of the "not a directory" categories. My article explains what the award is, and then provides a comprehensive list of the winners with reasons for why they won. It is no different than any of the following lists of award winners:

Turing Award
Fields Medal
Bösendorfer and Yamaha USASU International Piano Competition
Robert Schumann International Competition for Pianists and Singers

I'd like you to reconsider the reversion and consider the article for acceptance. I believe the subject is highly notable, as the Holland Medal is considered among the most prominent awards given in the field of taxation and public finance.

Thanks,

Hucal Hucal (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

• Hi, thanks for reaching out. While I appreciate your effort, I disagree that this is a "highly notable" award. There's ample space in the NTA article to explain what this award is about. Listing every recipient and why they got it is overkill. In addition, the descriptions of what is being recognized seem to border (or even cross that border) on WP:OR and/or WP:SYNTH, which is not admissible. For example, the very first one that I looked at states that Hoynes did "Deep research into every major government anti-poverty program in the United States". However, the reference given does not state that. As for those other awards that you mentioned, I have no time to look into those. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Hope this explains a bit. --Randykitty (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
• :I am reverting the redirection so I can improve the article. It is unfair to redirect the Holland Medal to the NTA simply simply because it is not admissible in its current form. If an additional page is not warranted, then I am moving the existing info to the NTA page after making improvements to the descriptions to conform to WP:OR and/or WP:SYNTH.
• :"Listing every recipient and why they got it is overkill."
• :This is only true on the grounds that it is not notable enough—I am curious what grounds you disagree that it is a "highly notable" award. Are you an economist or a tax professional? It is considered the most notable award in taxation and public economics. Hucal (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::*If it is so distinguished, then it should be easy to find reliable sources independent of the subject. Meanwhile, to improve an article unimpeded, we have Draft space. I'll move the article there, so you can tinker with it until such time as it is ready. --Randykitty (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

::*:Thanks. I will add sources other than the subject. Hucal (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::*::@Hucal {{tpw}} So that the reader can get at least some info about the medal, I've created redirect Daniel M. Holland Medal and recreated Holland Medal (which I made yesterday, and whose deletion I was alerted to: any alternative name bolded in the lead needs a redirect). Obviously the refirect can be overridden if the article is moved back to mainspace, so that you are credited as starting it.

::*::But I've tried to find content about the medal but only found articles from recipients' alma mater or employer. Almost no relevant hits for "Holland medal(l)ist".

::*::It looks to me as if a list of the recipients by year with at most a very brief description, would fit usefully within National Tax Association#Awards. The fact that about half the recipients are blue links is encouraging. PamD 05:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::*:::And, {{ping|Hucal}}, please remember to link to any page you are discussing on a talk page, to help all other editors. Thanks. PamD 07:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::*::::Thanks. I just added the list of recipients, with brief descriptions. I'm not sure how to make "Holland medal" redirect to this section specifically. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Tax_Association#Holland_Medal Hucal (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::*:::::I've fixed both the incoming redirects, removed the unnecessary {{tl|redirect}} (it was directing people to a nonexistent Holland Medal (disambiguation)). But your references need much more information: the reference should show the reader what source the information has come from, and, in the case of a website, the date it was retrieved from there (because websites change). I've upgraded the first few, but please fix up the others. See Help:Referencing_for_beginners and other documentation for more advice.

::*:::::It looks as if you don't use the Visual Editor, so when you edit you should be able to use the Ref Toolbar which makes creating references vastly easier. The tutorial at Help:Introduction_to_referencing_with_Wiki_Markup/3 looks useful. Ref Toolbar isn't infallible (eg often adds extraneous stuff at the end of "title" which ought to be in "publisher"), but it's a great start! There's a lot to learn about editing Wikpedia but it's an interesting journey. Happy Editing! PamD 17:26, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

::*::::::Thank you, I'll work on it. Hucal (talk) 18:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)