User talk:RoySmith#Positive Internet deletion

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My music features Bach Bach Bach today ;) - thank you for reviewing! - I picked a recording by today's birthday child. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to review, but don't forget that you owe me a fix for broken chord :-) RoySmith (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:: I remember - but today is the day to take care of an actress article, and next will be to write more background because of many questions --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you today for Margaret Sibella Brown, "about a self-taught woman scientist in the late 19th and early 20th century, when it was rare for women to enter the scientific world. Raised in a wealthy society family in a small Nova Scotia mining town, Margaret Sibella Brown turned what had been a young girl's hobby into a serious scientific endevour, making significant contributions to the academic literature in Bryology (the study of mosses and liverworts)."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:Seconding Gerda here and adding that you did great work on the article and I'm quite pleased to see this botanist's work recognized. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Frischmuth is one of the leading Austrian writers, her specialty being openness to other cultures. Bad enough that nothing of that shows in the little specific pet detail of the reviewers. Please restore "Austrian novelist", - about the minimum we can offer in memory of a legendary writer. I'd like to interest readers interested in literature, not only the few interested in Biocentrism (ethics). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:Over the past few days, I've invoked WP:DYKTRIM 14 times. You are the only one who objected. Why is that? Please read what @Narutolovehinata5 wrote in Special:Diff/1286452724 and try to take some of that on board. You are very prolific and you write well. That's all good, but relentlessly rejecting almost every bit of constructive criticism people give you is just plain disrespectful of your fellow editors. RoySmith (talk) 17:03, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:: My choice is to be respectful to the subject, not some reviewers. Here we have one of the greatest Austrian writers, and the hook addresses only a minority. I have explained again how miserable and ashamed I feel when that happens to my subject, but worse than my feelings is that their contributions to mankind are ignored. For three years now, I have tried to avoid DYK entirely. When a chance like this comes - 5 times expansion - I can't resist to say something related to the core of the subject. I should learn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I actually agree that saying she was a novelist doesn't harm the hook and I think it would be better to at least include "novelist" if "Austrian novelist" is too long. I would put it back myself but I was involved in the nomination so I will let RoySmith decide. {{ping|Gerda Arendt}} Having said that, RoySmith has a point here. You need to be open to feedback from other editors, even if said feedback opposes your wishes. Other editors mean well. In fact, they genuinely want to help you and see giving you advice and feedback not as putting down your subjects and their accomplishments, but rather helping to make sure that even more people read and learn about them. Highlighting "hooky" information about a person or subject is far from "disrespecting" them; in fact, it's a way to make people learn and respect. Isn't advertising them your goal? {{ping|RoySmith}} If you don't mind, I think you can explain this particular point better than I can. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::: I am sorry to have a language problem. My goal is not to advertise a subject, nor to reach as many people as possible, but to inform about something that is special about the subject, trying to reach those readers who are interested in that specialty. For Frischmuth, openness to other cultures (Turkish and Hungarian) and writing not only novels but even trilogies of novels. None of that is in the trimmed hook. It has a tiny little bit of her broad thinking, about biocentrism, and I am afraid that readers not caring about that aspect will skip the hook. I wrote many articles this year that I didn't take to DYK, intentionally. I wanted to give this giant of literature a chance to be better known. Failed, it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} Are you saying you would rather have a niche hook that is interesting to or read by only a small number of readers, if it means highlighting the fact or facts most precious to you, than going with a hook with a much larger potential readership but has a fact you dislike? Because that sentiment (wanting a more niche hook than a more broadly-interesting one) is the total opposite of what WP:DYKINT states. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:33, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Sorry again for my English: I see the exact opposite. This biocentric lecture is the niche, and the open approach to other cultures and authoring monumental works is for a large number of readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@Gerda Arendt Apologies for not making it clear: I was asking in general and not specifically about Frischmuth's hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: I have one wish: stay with one article. Every subject is different, and I appreciate that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: A friend of mine sings [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ld7VNaKss here right now] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:10, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: Today's main page has again memories of three people who died, for two just the name and for the third an image (great!) coupled with a little bit from her life which seems too little for my taste, as you know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to seek administrative assistance on an issue and found you through this page [https://apersonbot.toolforge.org/recently-active/?admin].

As a new user, I recently got into a content dispute with another relatively new user over the inclusion of certain content on a page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2025_April_30&action=history]. While we have opened discussions on the issue [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:Current_events#Recent_Additions_to_Disasters_Section], [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_talk:Current_events/2025_April_30#Taiwan_&_Somalia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:XYZ1233212#Inappropriate_removals_on_the_current_event_pages], the other user has seemingly going through my edits and twice reverted other unrelated content [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:XYZ1233212#c-Crwd-ppu-20250501061100-XYZ1233212-20250501055200], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2025_April_30&diff=prev&oldid=128831768] citing non substantive reasons, causing there to be unneeded friction in the discussions.

The situation appears to be escalating, with multiple discussions becoming increasingly adversarial. It also seems that not many people naturally go to the discussion pages, and I've had to manually tag people. I want to seek your advice on how to proceed, given our relative inexperience with Wikipedia. XYZ1233212 (talk) 13:16, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:@XYZ1233212 thanks for the note, but I'm afraid I'm not going to be of much help here as I try to avoid these types of issues. I also see this involves a portal, which is a part of the encyclopedia with which I have little experience. @Barkeep49 this seems like something that's more in your line of work than mine, perhaps you could offer some advice? RoySmith (talk) 13:38, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for the referral, RoySmith. I look forward to hearing from you, Barkeep49. XYZ1233212 (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Barkeep49 I've withdrawn from the two main content disputes at the heart of the matter and restored the relevant content, as I no longer feel comfortable participating in the discussions due to the rapidly deteriorating tone of the conversations. I'd appreciate it if you could still take a look and see if there is an outstanding issue, as I really don't feel the conduct of this user was appropriate. XYZ1233212 (talk) 17:24, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I apologize, but I am pretty unfamiliar with the norms and procedures of Portal:Current events and so it's hard for me to say who might be right in this situation. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

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