User talk:Russell1889#Further to our conversations

Hi, Russell1889. This is NOT some automated message...it's from a real person. You can [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help talk to me right now]. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed you've just joined, and wanted to give you a few tips to get you started. If you have any questions, please [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help talk to us]. The tips below should help you to get started. Best of luck!  Chzz  ►  19:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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:Hi there - Welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for your patience in sorting out the problem viz. {{user|thebaptisttemple}}.

• Before working on an article where you have a conflict of interest, I very highly recommend that you edit some other articles - on any subject at all. You'll soon learn more about the way Wikipedia works, and you'll be in a much better position to then deal with the tricky business of COI.

:You could join WikiProject Christianity perhaps. There's plenty of articles that need work - Wikipedia:Cleanup listing|try here]], for example.

• Please read the business FAQ - this applies to all organizations, whether for-profit or not.

• When you do want to make a start, create a user-space draft, and work on that - seek help with it, and ask us to check it over.

• Articles have to meet requirements for "Notability", which has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia, and we define it as, "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the source". Please look at that link - that is the key to the whole thing, it really is. For any subject - be it a person, a company, a band, species of animal, or any of the other thousands of subject types - the requirement is the same. What it boils down to is, the need for several reliable sources, such as newspaper articles, books, magazines, etc - with substantial information about the specific thing the article is about.

:A 'reliable source' is something with a "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", something with "editorial control" - and, to show notability, it needs to be independent too.

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! How references work     

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These require two parts;

:a)

Chzz is 98 years old. "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
He likes tea.  [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] 

:b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";

{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/reftest and try it out.

Chzz was born in 1837, 
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009.
 in Footown.

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

You can put anything you like between and , but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals.  {{Citation
| last = Smith
| first = John
| title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
| publication-date = 2001
| publisher = Cambridge University Press
| page = 125
| isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

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• Please, do be careful. We strongly advise against writing it yourself, and for quite good reasons. It is very, very hard to be neutral, and to stick to verifiable facts from reliable sources - there are so many things that you, naturally, just know are true - but sadly, we cannot accept claims that we can't check - which means we need references.

Please [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help talk to us live, with this link], any time. It's often easier to explain things 'live'.

I certainly hope you'll help us make Wikipedia better, and I'll do everything I can to help you. Hope to speak soon. Chzz  ►  19:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)