User talk:Timtrent#T13

Hi Timtrent,

Thanks for your note. I drafted Draft:Balio Gardens (Giardino del Balio) myself, drawing on my background as a journalist and using carefully sourced material. I did use ChatGPT to help organise the structure and generate markup, but every fact has been manually checked and rewritten based on reliable, verifiable sources. I've also explained this on my (newly created) user page to be fully transparent.

I revised the draft today, adding a photograph of the gardens and a site map I created and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I’m happy to make any further revisions needed and appreciate your time reviewing the draft.

Kned Wiki (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:It still reeks of AI generated text. However, I take your point that you have checked it. ChatGOT usually generates markup that is a hindrance, not a help. Never use it to do that task. I arrived at your draft cleaning up after it. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Balio_Gardens_(Giardino_del_Balio)&oldid=1288120369 this is the mess] I cleaned up. If it does not look right then it is not right.

:As a journalist you have a harder task than most. Writing articles for Wikipedia is nothing like writing media articles. We need flat, neutral, dull-but-worthy prose. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 14:38, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

::Hello,

::Thank you for your feedback. I completely agree that the earlier versions were, to say the least, messy. I hope you understand it wasn’t due to sloppiness, but rather a lack of understanding of the process—specifically around when to move content from a sandbox and when to submit it to Draft. I’ll follow the correct workflow going forward.

::I’ve now significantly revised the Balio Gardens article, aiming for a neutral tone and adherence to the Manual of Style, which I consulted throughout. I’ve also cleaned up the references and added an External links section with links to Wikimedia Commons images of some of the statues. Although I’ve seen them personally, I couldn’t find textual sources to confirm their presence, so I’ve relied on the images as visual evidence.

::If you’d prefer to delete the article and have me resubmit a clean version, I’m happy to do that. The same offer applies to the draft I created for the Cyclopean Walls of Erice.

::Thanks again for your help.

::Kned Wiki (talk) 14:56, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Kned Wiki Just carry on as you are doing. I think you are well on the way to understanding Wikipedia. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 15:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Timtrent,

Thanks for your feedback. I’d like to submit a manually cleaned and properly formatted version of the CEN/TC 348 draft, based solely on reliable, independent sources.

Would you be open to reviewing it once resubmitted, assuming no AI artefacts or malformed templates are present?

Kind regards,

Ian van der Pool Ian van der Pool (talk) 18:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Ian van der Pool check it please, and then submit/resubmit it 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 18:47, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

::@Ian van der Pool I don't review. second time, though. Another reviewer will be along to do this. Meanwhile I think youi probably need to declare under WP:PAID as the current chair. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 18:51, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Sending my best wishes for whatever you're dealing with, Tim. Hang in there. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you! @Curb Safe Charmer It’s literally a load of pain. I slipped over and whiplashed my neck and it’s taking a while to recover. In real terms, it’s only pain and pain goes away. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 10:44, 19 May 2025 (UTC)