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Hey, I hope it's not too much to ask, but can you get the Grazulis pages for the North Chicago tornado of September 26, 1972, and the one in Downtown Chicago some time in 1876? And if it's not too much of a chore, the ones for Crystal Lake (April 1965, F4) and Lake Zurich (April 1967, F4)? I need it for a draft I'm working on. Thank you! Departure– (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

• Here you go! Notes: k = killed, inj = injured, y = width in yards, m = length in miles, f = "family".

::1876

:::IL

:::May 6, 1876

:::1710

:::2k

:::35inj

:::100yd

:::4m

:::F3

:::COOK -- "Rebounding like a bombshell," the tornado moved NE, ripping apart and collapsing both large and small buildings in downtown Chicago. Damage totalled about $250,000. One man died in the destruction of the Reaper Mission. The chimney of a candy factory was blown down, injuring workers, one of whom eventually died. At a county hospital (at 18th and Arnold) the roof and cupola were torn off, but the "terror- stricken" patients inside were unharmed. A freight depot collapsed, trapping and mangling the men inside. A church steeple and many brick chimneys were blown down. The Chicago Tribune printed a description of the multiple vortex structure of the tornado as it moved out onto Lake Michigan. The astute observation and conclusion (by a newspaper reporter) that air in the center of the multiple vortex tornado was moving downward was nearly a century ahead of its time. About a mile from shore "it was then composed of eight or ten columns grouped together, all whirling around a central point. The columns, or spirals, twisted and writhed like snakes. The group was about 500 feet in diameter, the various parts leaning at the top towards the centre, and bulging slightly at the middle. Now and then a column would draw away from its fellow and then sweep back. The down rush of air in the vacuum drew the cloud down. Directly under the mass the lake was flat and still. Around it the waters were lashed and torn. The waves dashed upon the spirals as if driven to madness by the attack. As the pillars curled around, binding themselves together, the cloud vomited lightning, as though sick of the performance. Another such scene may never come in this generation, and it is to be regretted that the cylinder could not have been caught and pickled for scientific investigation."

::1965

:::IL

:::APR 11, 1965

:::1527

:::6k

:::75inj

:::400y

:::11m

:::F4

:::MCHENRY/LAKE -- (F-1) Moved ENE from the SW edge of Crystal Lake, passing through the SE side of that town, and ending 2m N of Wauconda. In a single subdivision, 45 homes were destroyed and 110 were badly damaged. Major damage also occurred along a four-block long, 200-yard-wide area of Island Lake. Five people were killed at Crystal Lake and one at Island Lake. $1,500,000. SEE FIGURES 143 and 144.

::1967

:::IL

:::APR 21, 1967

:::1700

:::1k

:::123inj

:::150y

:::f17m

:::F4

:::KANE/COOK/LAKE-This tornado is plotted as moving NE from the NW side of Elgin, passing through Barrington Hills and Lake Zurich. It may have begun as far the to SW as a service station on Hwy-47 near Elburn. At Elgin, three people were injured as a factory was unroofed and torn apart. There was a $100,000 loss at the state hospital. Further to the NE, the tornado grew very intense and destroyed or damaged 500 homes. Homes were leveled at Barrington Hills, and a 1000- pound heating unit was carried a half mile from a home. A dozen cars were "thrown like toys" near the Hwy-22 and 59 intersection. $10,000,000.

::1972

:::IL

:::SEP 28, 1972 (I presume this was a typo you made. Grazulis does not record any tornadoes September 26, 1972)

:::0555

:::0k

:::3inj

:::10y

:::f30m

:::F2

:::LAKE -- Moved NE from SW of North Chicago to Lake Michigan, east of Waukegan. Most of the injuries and much of the damage occurred at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center. Many trailers and barracks were destroyed. $1,000,000.

:Hope that helps! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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Struck by request wizzito | say hello! 15:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:Genuine question, why are we stalking and doxxing other editors? — E_F⁵ 15:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::Not stalking. This is his choice to use public IP addresses. If he doesn't like it he should wait for the IP masking in May. wizzito | say hello! 15:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Andrew5#09_March_2025 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Andrew5/Archive#31_December_2024 for evidence of previous college visits wizzito | say hello! 15:53, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:Struck by request wizzito | say hello! 15:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Seems like it to me. "He uses public IPs" is no reason to track others IRL. — E_F⁵ 15:53, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::No admin has told me to stop. Izno and Ponyo have both looked at my SPI reports and found nothing wrong. wizzito | say hello! 15:54, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::If an admin tells me to stop I will wizzito | say hello! 15:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::Would you like me to ask another admin? Clearly something's off with this; I don't like that we are guessing exact events this user will be at. Stalking is stalking, no matter who it's to. — E_F⁵ 15:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::I'm more worried about Andrew going to college and having an entirely new city of sock IPs that he can use as he pleases. wizzito | say hello! 15:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Go ahead, if you want. I probably did go too far. I'm just worried about how nobody cares to stop him sometimes. wizzito | say hello! 15:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Also, he's sent death threats and harassed multiple people (including me) for just reporting his socks and not talking about his locations/IPs. I don't think he deserves privacy, especially because he chooses to use public Wi-Fi IPs that reveal their locations when you pull up Whois. Just my opinion. wizzito | say hello! 16:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Sure, but that's no excuse to give exact locations this user will be at. It's like someome telling everyone online where you live, yet you never gave them consent to do so. — E_F⁵ 16:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Andrew5/Archive#23_December_2024 gave an exact location; that IP is at an arcade in Long Island and Whois proves that. I will stop speculation and wait to see what happens before I go to SPI next. wizzito | say hello! 16:04, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I'd go ahead and say that's also stalking, although I've asked an uninvoled administrator for a second opinion. — E_F⁵ 16:06, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Then should WP remove the ability to look at Whois data for IPs until IP masking comes online in May? wizzito | say hello! 16:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::We have a Whois tool on the bottom of the contributions page for every IP, and it looks like this (used 1.1.1.1 DNS as an example) https://whois-referral.toolforge.org/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=1.1.1.1 wizzito | say hello! 16:10, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::Just an example of how he goes under the radar - {{ipvandal|24.184.217.210}}, which geolocates to a place on Long Island, is a pretty obvious Andrew IP sock yet it was never blocked. It started a move discussion related to weather (which succeeded) and made a few other edits in that space. wizzito | say hello! 16:12, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

• Huh? I just got back on Wikipedia have a several hour break. Could I get a brief TL;DR summary of this? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:21, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
• :TL;DR speculated about what Andrew may be doing a little close to the sun wizzito | say hello! 16:22, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::Also, it is EF5's opinion that talking about the locations of the IPs that Andrew5 uses might be a form of stalking. wizzito | say hello! 16:23, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::Sure. Wizzito can tell his side (I obviously won't speak for someone), but I was concerned that we are guessing the locations Andrew5 will be at, which could constitute stalking. E_F⁵ 16:23, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I thought you saw talking about the IPs he has used as stalking, given I linked that SPI report that talked about the location of a sock IP. wizzito | say hello! 16:25, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::No, that's fine (public IPs are public). I'm concerned that we are guessing places where he will be ({{tq|two college-related events of note that Andrew may be going to today}}) which seems like stalking to me. Then again, I could be wrong, but best to wait for that second opinion. — E_F⁵ 16:27, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::I do apologize for speculating on this, and I consider it to be more like stalking now. It was an impulse decision. The best action would be to wait for any edits and then go to SPI. wizzito | say hello! 16:29, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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Just to let you know, you might want to put a COI notice on Talk:Ryan Hall, Y’all, although I don't think it's required. E_F⁵ 09:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Odd question. On my online copy of the Significant Tornadoes: A chronology of events Volume 2 of Significant Tornadoes: 1880-1989 published in 1990 (this is the tornado book), there's a disclaimer on page three that notes "all written material herein is in the public domain". Hypothetically, if all the images in the book are blacked out, would the entire book be able to be transferred to WikiSource? I know nothing about it, so asking you. — E_F⁵ 19:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:I think so based on that statement in a published book? {{ping|Rlandmann}} would you concur? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:13, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

::[https://books.google.com/books?id=yW5NAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false Here's] the online copy if y'all want to confirm that. Maybe for once the Wx-Wiki community will actually have a good thing happen related to copyright! E_F⁵ 20:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hey, when you get a chance, could you get me a few more refs for my draft? I'm specifically looking for the following.

• F3 and F4 tornadoes in Cook County from the March 28, 1920 Palm Sunday outbreak in Illinois,
• 1781 Chicago Portage tornado that Grazulis might record,
• May 22, 1855 Des Plaines, Illinois tornado (may be marked as Jefferson, Illinois, see Draft:Tornadoes in Chicago#1855 (Jefferson/Des Plaines)),
• April 7, 1948 tornado in Northwest Indiana,
• June 13, 1976 Lemont, Illinois F4 tornado,
• April 21, 1967 Oak Lawn F4 tornado,
• March 12, 1976 F3 tornado in DuPage and Cook County.

I could probably get by without these but they'd make getting the article in ship-shape a lot quicker. Thanks! Departure– (talk) 15:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hey {{u|Departure–}} I can get these summaries to you this weekend (my book is being borrowed by a friend for a class this week). I'll try to remember, but feel free to shoot me a talk page message as a reminder on Saturday or Sunday. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:21, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! Also, if it's not too much trouble, it turns out there's a lot more that don't have much information online. If it's not too much trouble, can you get summaries for:

::* May 25, 1896

::* April 7, 1929

::* May 1, 1933

::* April 18, 1955

::* May 26, 1955

::* August 30, 1958

::All in Chicago. Your help would be greatly appreciated, even just fetching non-free sources. Thank you! Departure– (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:::{{talk page watcher}} I assume you mean the Cook County F3 for the 1896 tornado? In the 1990 edition, he writes: IL | May 25, 1896 | 0150 | 0k | inj | 400y | 4.5m | F3 | COOK-Moved due E from the Leyden-Maine town line to the Jefferson-Niles area.The tornado passed through the towns of Park Ridge, Edison Park and Norwood Park. The worst destruction was on the highest ground, the Canfield-on-the-Hill section of Edison Park. In all, six homes were destroyed and 30 others were said to be beyond repair. $100,000. This is located on page 70. I do know the newer version is refined, so the details may be off. — E_F⁵ 17:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

::@WeatherWriter: Weekend in the USA, do you think you could get the source relatively soon? Cheers! Departure– (talk) 23:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I just happen to see this and I am so sorry. I mixed up the date that my friend said. I will get the book back on April 22, not April 12, which is what I was thinking. So I won’t be able to get you the info until then. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:41, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Aw, I was hoping to get it out before the anniversary of the Oak Lawn outbreak. Oh well, there's plenty of other free sources available. Thanks anyway! Departure– (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::As it turns out that the old Significant Tornadoes book includes most of the tornadoes I'm looking for, I don't need the references for most stated above; however, there are still a few outside of the 1990's book range I'd like the citations for:

:::::* 1781 (Chicago portage), may or may not be recorded

:::::* May 22, 1855

:::::* June 3, 1860

:::::* May 23, 1878

:::::* November 17, 2013 (both in Will County)

:::::* June 20, 2021

:::::Glad to find out from your talk page the 1880-1991 issue is both free to access and in the public domain. Again, no rush for these, but two of these would be best sourced to the Grazulis book. Thanks! Departure– (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

A draft on the SPC's incredibly niche tornado tool exists, you may be interested. — E_F⁵ 14:46, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:I will definitely take a look at that. I am planning to spend a couple of weeks and get History of tornado research up to really good standards. So, I figure STP will be mentioned at some point in the history article, and I may find new info for the STP article as well. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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Here's a few pieces of tornado media that you might want on the list:
1. [https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/oklahoma-hotel-tornado-video-bartlesville-hampton-inn Bartlesville hotel video]
2. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-picture-behind-twister/ar-AA1oir7o The "Twister" movie cover tornado]
3. [https://www.ksn.com/news/local/ksn-says-goodbye-to-meteorologist-dave-freeman-after-24-years/ Dave Freeman's Greensburg coverage], maybe? It's covered in a few reliable sources.
4. [https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/columns/2013/06/03/oklahoma-storms-amateur-storm-chaser-took-photo-of-tornado-that-killed-him/60928721007/ Richard Henderson's incredibly sad El Reno photo]
5. [https://muskegonartmuseum.org/art/collection/tornado-over-kansas/ "Tornado over Kansas"]
I'll add more as I find them, hope this helps. :) — EF5 ^(questions?) 03:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'll look into those! I know Richard Henderson's photo can probably be added already. Also, you are welcome to add anything to List of notable media in the field of meteorology if you find any other really notable photos or videos! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

::I'll work on it, but I thought I'd inform you of those regardless. A few more:

::1. [https://stateclimatologist.web.illinois.edu/2015/04/09/on-this-date-in-1953-first-documented-tornado-hook-echo-captured-on-radar/ First Hook echo]

::2. Take another look at Spann's 4/27/11 ABC 33/40 coverage. Seems to be well-documented in RS's. I'm currently re-watching the entire broadcast today because I've never done that, very interesting yet sad.

::3. [https://www.wvtm13.com/article/april-27-2011-tuscaloosa-tornado-video-shows-power-of-the-storm/36264362 Tuscaloosa-tornado videos] may be suitable for inclusion on the list.

::4. [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2021/oct/19/weather-photographer-of-the-year-2021-royal-meteorological-society This].

::Enjoy. :) EF5 (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Alright, so I completely forgot to re-inquire about the Grazulis books, but if you could, I'd just like the references for the three tornadoes near Chicago for the article preferably. The three were 1781 (Chicago Portage, again, might not be recorded by Grazulis), May 22, 1855 (Jefferson / Des Plaines, Illinois), and June 3, 1860 (throughout the Chicago metro). Everything else is either in the free Grazulis source or elsewhere easy enough to find. Thank you in advance! Departure– (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:Here you go {{u|Departure–}}!

::No tornadoes in 1781 were recorded by Grazulis sadly.

::1855 Below.

:::IL

:::MAY 22, 1855

:::1630 (start time)

:::3k (deaths)

:::6inj (injuries)

:::y (No width recorded)

:::m (No path length recorded)

:::F (No F-scale rating recorded)

:::COOK -- A tornado moved to the SE, and touched down briefly at "Jefferson," just east of Norwood Park, about 16m NW of downtown Chicago. It destroyed one home containing nine people, killing a woman and two children.

::1860 Below. I presume this is the tornado you are referencing since it is the only one that hit Cook County like the 1855 tornado did. Two other IL tornadoes occurred that day along with the one below and both have extremely long summaries (like 2 pages are in the book just to cover those two tornadoes)....and a couple of really long Iowa tornado summaries same day.......How In The World Do We Not Have An Outbreak Article For These????? 100+ Deaths! List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks#1860s....We note the outbreak there with 148+ deaths and we do not have an article on it!

:::IL

:::JUN 3, 1860

:::2130 (start time)

:::0k (deaths)

:::4inj (injuries)

:::y (No width recorded)

:::15m (Path length in miles)

:::F (No F-scale rating recorded)

:::KANE /COOK /LAKE -- Moved NE from west of Elgin to near Dundee where homes were unroofed and the post office was destroyed. At Lake Zurich, the Brockway farm lost the upper floor of the farm house. Four people were injured and clothing was carried several miles. Another likely tornado hit at Glencoe, destroying one home and uprooted trees in Cook County. Ships reported a large waterspout out over Lake Michigan. Other possible tornadoes produced damage in and around Long Grove, Illinois and Ottawa County, Michigan.

:The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::Argh! I was specifically looking for F-scale ratings and Grazulis doesn't even record them. Figures. Oh well, thanks anyway! Departure– (talk) 21:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, he doesn't start F-scale ratings until 1880. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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Would you perchance have satellite imagery of storms over KS on May 18 that ended up producing that bunch of massive tornadoes? I don't know if the GOES-East website has an archive; if it has, I haven't found it. Need it for the infobox of Tornado outbreak of May 18–20, 2025. Thanks. :-) ^EF⁵ 18:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:I do not sadly. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

::Hm… I'll see if I can find one. Also, great NFF pick for the Somerset tornado; I myself was going to go with that image but you uploaded it before me. Weird how such-a-thin tornado can take so many lives. ^EF⁵ 14:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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