User talk:Writ Keeper/Archives/6#TeaHouse scripts import breaking all my JavaScript.

can you undelete this and alert User:WikiFrow at the following thread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WikiFrow#Frog_Trade that it has been userfied with a link to their sandbox? It was previously deleted as advertisement but has recently been awarded prizes and will merit it's own standalone and I have agreed to help them make an article on this software. Thanks in advance Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

:Hi again guys, I have amended this and would love to know your thoughts on how it all appears now.

:Regards

:WikiFrow (talk) 14:09, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, would you be able to take a look at the page again and let me know if anything needs tweaking as I hope to get this live asap, many thanks for your time once more!

WikiFrow (talk) 14:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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:Hah, I like it! I dunno about that, though; I still don't know how slide rules work. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:27, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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I'm using a different computer than when I made my most recent edit to User:Ryan Vesey/common.css. Now the icon I added is a box. Do you know what I can do to my computer so it recognizes the character? Ryan Vesey 00:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey Writ! Happy Teahouse Birthday :)

I was throwing errors with 'section editing not supported' for common.js pages, so I removed the section=new from the preload at Template:Teahouse_host_navbar. It worked better. Then, I added the WikiLove badge script to that option just like the other 3 scripts in there. Now, when I try to install the scripts the first time I get a 'section editing not supported error'. But if I go right back and try it again I got the proper instructions with editing field below. Any idea what could be causing that?

:BTW, I am not having this problem on my testing account, so maybe it's an issue with the other junk I have in my common.js page for Ocaasi. OcaasiNew (talk) 19:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I noticed that on the script instructions page, there is a fifth script that's mentioned but not preloaded, Wikipedia:Teahouse/Scripts_instruction, that script being the

;Teahouse Q&A Response Links

:importScript('User:Equazcion/TeahouseRespond.js');

Is there a reason it's on the instructions but not preloaded? Thanks for any guidance. Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 19:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

:Same to you! That sounds like a caching thing; you had the old version of the page the first time, which still had the section=new in it, and then it refreshed. Is it repeatable?

:By the way, you have to be careful about that. IIRC, it works without "section=new", but it overwrites whatever's already in the .js page with the new text rather than adding it. Obviously that's fine for someone who doesn't have any scripts installed, but it's not cool for someone who does.

:As for the other thing: I baked Equazcion's script into the "Ask a question" gadget a while back, so it's enabled by default for everyone. No need to install it; actually, if it's still mentioned there, we should take out the mention. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

::Okay, yeah, I looked it up and now I remember. It's not that it overwrites the old page, it's that the preload just fails quietly if the page already exists. So, the wikitext will be just what was there already, without the preload. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

:::I'm not getting an overwrite effect when I try it. I think you're right that' the issue is not repeating, so probably cache issue. If you could test to confirm with you common.js that would be great. The thing about it not preloading if the page is already created is that the instructions at the top manually walk you through copying the scripts from the instruction box into the edit box, so it still 'works' just less conveniently. Not sure if that's a suitable compromise.

:::I'll remove that old fifth script from the instructions page. Ocaasi ^{t | c} 19:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Could you look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Polllilur? Ta. Peridon (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

:Wow, that wasn't a hoax? Could've fooled me. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

::Cindy reckons his battles are genuine - I'm still suspicious. The planned novels are definitely non-notable and probably totally imaginary. I'm not sure that this isn't a sock case involving a regular. That edit summary that he always uses rings a bell... Peridon (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I dunno about that. You're right, though: that edit summary does sound familiar. Damned if I know why, though. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

::::I mean that. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 23:05, 6 March 2013 (UTC))

I rather think that you have seen the recent thread at User talk:Qwyrxian with reference to {{u|Lowkeyvision}}. I think that contributor perhaps now has me in their sights, as well as others in relation to different incidents. Eg: their edits to Lohara dynasty within the last 24 hours are plain bad and their single contribution to Talk:Lohara_dynasty#History template makes no sense at all. This spewing of inaccurate accusations has surely gone on long enough? Perhaps an enforced break while they read the very policies that they keep citing would not go amiss? I've left another note on their talk page relating to the false copyvio accusation etc. - Sitush (talk) 21:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

:He's definitely starting to be annoying, but I'd like to try to give him one last chance. Mostly because, although I don't doubt that he got to that page from your contribs, nor that they're non-useful contributions, I'm not really sure he meant it to be targeting you; it seems to still be within his general area of interest, and they don't seem to be targeted specifically at your edits. Pointy perhaps, but not spiteful. There's another example where he did so to one of Qwyrxian's edits, but it was actually a useful edit, providing a source for a previously-unsourced statement that Qwyr had removed. So if you can bear with it just a little longer, I'd like to try. That said, feel free to ask for a second opinion from any other user if you feel I'm being too naive/wishy-washy. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

::I think it was a fair warning and a reason why you are a fair administrator. Kudos. For this: I admit that system isn't broke. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 22:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC))

:::I mean that(Lowkeyvision (talk) 23:05, 6 March 2013 (UTC))

::::Ok thanks, Writ Keeper. I am not in the habit of seeking second opinions for administrative matters. I approached you because we've had little, if any, involvement with each other and you happened to pop up there. I do think that Lowkeyvision is being deliberately disruptive when ever they seem not to be getting their own way. I've seen this pattern time and again on caste articles in particular and I can't recall an occasion when it ended happily for the disruptor. But time will tell in this instance: either they'll change or they'll be disruptive once too often. I need to find a bookmaker! - Sitush (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::I am now on 3RR at Lohara dynasty, having tried to engage the pointy-ness regarding claims that the article in POV-y on the talk page. No need to warn me of the consequences. - Sitush (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

{{od}}

1. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&diff=542464066&oldid=5420711961]

2. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&diff=542464066&oldid=542071196]

3. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lohara_dynasty&diff=542467018&oldid=542466744]

4. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lohara_dynasty&diff=542473296&oldid=542472725]

5. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lohara_dynasty&diff=542472075&oldid=542471978]

I have asked Sitush 5 times to please put up the neutrality tags in good faith. Please warn him.

Also the administrator Qwyrxian again used his administrator tools to protect Sitush. I am holding my tongue but look at it please. See the first post.

(Lowkeyvision (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&diff=542470934&oldid=542468038 Please read this. He is now refusing to put up the neutrality tags. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 00:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

::User:Qwyrxian now just did a roll back on his talk page.

::04:12, 23 January 2012 Qwyrxian (talk | contribs) changed visibility of 3 revisions on page User talk:Sitush: edit summary unhidden (RD2: Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material)

::04:11, 23 January 2012 Qwyrxian (talk | contribs) changed visibility of 4 revisions on page User talk:Sitush: content hidden and edit summary hidden (RD2: Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material)

(Lowkeyvision (talk) 00:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

:You're misreading the logs. Qwyrxian performed those actions (which are called revision deletions, not rollbacks; rollbacks are something else) on January 23, a month and ha half ago. They were done to protect Sitush, yes--to protect him from some truly vile insults that someone was throwing at him. That's part of the job of an admin.

:As far as the neutrality tag, I have to agree with Sitush on this one. "Neutral" doesn't mean that we don't say anything that could be negative or positive about a person. "Neutral" means that we fairly represent what's in the sources, and that we fairly represent the overall consensus across multiple sources. (And by the way, the one edit is clearly not a copyright violation.) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

::Ah shoot, you are right. I am being paranoid...why is my first source in the deleted logs then? (Lowkeyvision (talk) 01:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

:::Okay, but the fact that he refuses to put up neutrality tags on a subject that is debated is? (Lowkeyvision (talk) 01:10, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

::::Debated by whom? That's the point. If it's debated in other reliable sources, then yes, it's a good idea to have the discussion on whether the article conforms to NPOV. But if the sources agree that a person is weak-willed (and, as Sitush mentions, also when the subject is dead, so that we avoid posting harmful things about living people), it's not against NPOV to say that. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

{{od}}

The author never actually wrote "Weak Willed. "The author is very balanced and fair in his assessment and can not imagine him writing such a poor descriptor of a person. I have ordered a copy of the books to verify. Thank you once again. Btw, he is still refusing to put up the neutrality tags. If I go over 3 revert limit I am done. What is wikipedias policy regarding having maintenance tags removed? (Lowkeyvision (talk) 02:39, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

:To be honest, the policy is that maintenance tags are pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things, so there's no sense in fighting over them. The point of a maintenance tag is that it draws the attention of editors seeking problems to fix; this clearly already has editors' intentions, so a tag is not really needed. It's better to try to engage in a discussion on how to actually fix the problem than argue about a silly tag, right? :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

::Agreed. Substance over silliness. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 02:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC))

:My toughest case yet! Writ Keeper (t + c) 21:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing my Teahouse scripts... Now every user name has that "TB" button next to it. Cheers! ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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That was very sane of you. Thanks William M. Connolley (talk) 16:30, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

:Sure beats the usual insane actions WK takes. :-) BTW, what does the last phrase ("just as ...") in this sentence mean? "By the way, this unblock was without prejudice towards the problem being reported or the outcome of any discussion in this thread, just as the original block was."--Bbb23 (talk) 16:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

::Basically, I was taking [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=543221688&oldid=543221474 this comment of Kim's] at face value ("And that's before we consider any of the main issues at hand here"). The original block wasn't addressing the problems reported originally, it was in addition to any sanctions that might arise out of that. So, since Kim's block wasn't meant to be "what happens to DS as a result of his reported actions", neither was my unblock. Does that make sense? Writ Keeper (t + c) 16:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Yes, thanks. I think the removal of the word "original" would make that clearer, although it may just be me.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

::::Sure, I was actually internally debating using the word "original" there. I actually had decided to not use it, but then after I hit submit and read my finished post, I saw that it was still in there. Decided it didn't change that much, so I left it in, but I'll happily take it out if it makes the meaning clearer. (So much for sanity...) Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:09, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, WK. It's the buttons that are insane; they should understand what we intend and act accordingly.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that at ANI. I was just notified of what I inadvertantly did while posting there. :-)—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 19:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

:No worries! I was going to post to your talk page earlier to let you know, but then I said, "Eh, it's not that big a deal, might as well do it myself." Gets it done that little bit quicker. :) Writ Keeper (t + c) 19:21, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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:Heh, thanks. Not sure whether I deserve it or not (the "just doing my job" cliche comes to mind, and I'm not sure how good I am at it), but thanks all the same. :) Writ Keeper (t + c) 00:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

:: Well I appreciate you stepping in and working your tail off to sort things out. It left me felling a lot more comfortable to step back from the situation. (I hate having to repeat myself sometimes) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FWrit_Keeper&diff=519300514&oldid=519299815 Not that I ever doubted it.]— Ched :  ?  00:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kindness. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

:Any time. :) Writ Keeper (t + c) 18:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, the retirement didn't last long and they're already bombarding me with quick-fire edits that are just clueless, however courteous the language may be. Have I fallen for a troll here or what? - Sitush (talk) 23:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

:I don't think a troll...I think a POV-pusher who doesn't realize that POV pushing is what he's doing. Take this, for example, in his first section: "I am requesting because it is somewhat offensive to those whose ancestry converted from Hinduism". That's POV pushing, but I don't think he realizes it. To be honest, though, I'm so far out of my depth in subjects like this that I barely know which way is up. (And yeah, the rapid edits are annoying; I got spammed with something like twenty emails within twenty minutes. I'm not sure he realizes that it's annoying, though; it's an easy mistake to make for someone new.) I'm not really sure what to tell you at this point. Writ Keeper (t + c) 01:15, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sitush#Patel_Page

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lohara_dynasty#Number_8

Banging rocks to become shiny. ;)

(Lowkeyvision (talk) 06:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC))

So. Has it always been like this, and I just never noticed? Or maybe it's not actually like this at all, and it's just a few people making a very loud noise. I dunno, it doesn't really matter. I'ma take a short break, maybe see if things settle down. Maybe I'll actually try to find an article to work on (wouldn't that be a shocker), and work on it offline. I swear I had a great idea for a new article, but I can't remember what it was, and I can't even remember if it was in a dream or in real-life that I noticed we were currently missing it. (That happens a lot.) Maybe I'll try to figure out if that was real, and work on it if it is.

TL;DR: If you're here to ask me for help, maybe try someone else. I'll be back later. <3, Writ Keeper (t + c) 20:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

:Wearing admin pants does seem to give one a sudden insight into Wikipedia's seedy underbelly, doesn't it? Don't stay away too long; you'll be missed. Plus, god only knows what will happen if I have to try coding my own scripts; I'd either break the Internet or accidentally birth SkyNet. Take care, and all the best. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• FWIW, Writ Keeper, I've discovered that if you un-watchlist AN, ANI, all Arb-related pages, and a surprisingly small number of user talk pages, the encyclopedia at large really has no idea all this idiocy is going on, and is operating fairly normally, and could probably benefit from your wisdom. Still, your way makes sense too. Especially since one needs self-control not to "take a quick peek", which I admit I broke an hour ago. And especially if it's nice outside where you are. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

::What is this "outside" of which you speak? Do we have an article on it? Yunshui 雲‍水 20:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

:::I'm not 100% sure, as all I know about it is what I learned eating Cheetos and watching the Nature Channel on television, but it appears to be a dangerous place with ice and snow and hurricanes and a large fireball in the sky undergoing uncontrolled atomic fusion. But from what I understand people still go out in it to "unwind", which I suppose means "appreciate the climate-controlled and Cheetos-stocked inside of my living room more". --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:50, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

::::Sounds awful. Literally. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Back. Writ Keeper (t + c) 02:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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On the subject of Teahousage, you might want to comment on this thread, since I mentioned you as a possible solution... Yunshui 雲‍水 11:01, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

:Nevermind, the script I was thinking of has been located. I just sort of assumed it was one of your own inventions... Yunshui 雲‍水 11:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

TAFi requires the help of an uninvolved admin to push the button to put it on the main page. Could you help? If so, please do tell. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

I am an 18 year old student proficient in java, and willing to learn almost anything related to coding/ any other topic. I just finished my examinations, and I was wondering if I could help around in any way I could.

If there is anything I can help around with, please do tell.

Thanks,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 06:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

:Heh, thanks! The Mediawiki code (or at least the bits of it I'm interested in with respect to the section numbering issue) is in PHP, not Java, but it's not too different. The most visible difference is that PHP variables all start with a dollar sign ($); in college, we used to call it "big money Java" for that reason. Though to be honest, it's probably more similar to C or Javascript than Java. Anyway, I talked to some Mediawiki-savvy people yesterday, and they agreed with my instinct that the place to start looking is [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/Parser_8php_source.html Parser.php], specifically extractSections on line 5381, so you can take a look at that, if you like.

:Here's a transcript of the chat log:

{{hat|Chat log}}

{{User:Writ Keeper/logs}}

{{hab}}

:Other possible areas of inquiry I'm considering are looking at how the page is generated, to see where that span ID comes from. (Knowing HTML, CSS, and JS is probably going to be necessary too, but if you don't already know that, it can be easily learned at the W3C tutorial sites.) Writ Keeper (t + c) 14:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

if there is not any admins than who controls the pages and can stop from adding inaccurate matirial.who has the authority to lock any page and stop other users to edit or adding extra material in it.to whom we can complain about any issue.please tell me.

thanks.--Paramsinghantaal (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

:I didn't say there weren't any admins, just that Sitush isn't one. Admins have the technical ability to lock pages, but we don't do this to control what content people put into pages. We only lock pages to prevent vandalism or edit-warring from further damaging the encyclopedia. If you have a content issue, the right way to go about resolving it is to discuss it with Sitush on the article's talk page. If you've tried that and it hasn't worked, then there are a few dispute resolution venues on Wikipedia that you can make use of, such as third opinion or the dispute resolution noticeboard. As a general rule, admins, when acting as admins, do not control things on the article-content side; we only try to control behavioral issues, so that normal editors can deal with the content issues in peace. Writ Keeper (t + c) 14:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

i think you are an admin.i request you to help me in this matter.you had read allready about my problem.this is an important matter.--Paramsinghantaal (talk) 14:44, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

:Yes, I am an admin. However, there is nothing I can do with the admin tools to help you. As I said, admins do not control content, we only keep the peace. The only opinion I can express about your content dispute is that of a normal editor like any other, and one who is totally uninformed about Indian caste issues at that. Nevertheless, my totally disinterested, outsider's view is that Sitush, as he says on the talk page, is right about one thing at least: you need to actually provide reliable sources that explicitly say what you're trying to put into the article. Wikipedia operates on the principle of verifiability, and if you want to make a change that is contested by other editors, you need to provide sources to back your claim and show that it is verifiable. Making vague references to other sources in the article and saying that readers should decide for themselves is not a substitute for providing concrete sources. Writ Keeper (t + c) 14:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

you asked me to gave same reliable source.i requsted you to see the article about BANDA SINGH BAHADUR on this site.please read the section 'early life'.now please compare that how many historians are supporting the fact that i claiming and how many supporting sitush,s.the calculation is so simple.it is 8 to 2(these figures are just from this wikipedia itself).now what more reliable source you wants.before cheking it you asked sitush that what is his reliable source.

now with whom you would like to go.the eight historians or two.--Paramsinghantaal (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

:I'm not the person you should be making a case to. Talk to Sitush on the article's talk page. I can't help you. Writ Keeper (t + c) 15:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

::Hey WK, how did they manage [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banda_Singh_Bahadur&diff=546019304&oldid=545547288 this]? I thought I semi-protected the article! Drmies (talk) 16:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

:::You did, but they had hit autoconfirmed that morning, at 8:46 UTC on March 21st, when their account turned four days old. Their tenth edit was at 2:47 UTC, on the 19th. (Deleted contribs count for the purpose of autoconfirmed, so you have to factor those in when determining the tenth edit; there were 5 deleted edits on the 17th.) Writ Keeper (t + c) 16:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

::::How'd you get so smart? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

thanks for talking sense ≈

Hi Writ. It's your friendly technical unsophisticate Teahouse community organizer. I wanted to give you an update on some items from the Teahouse Wishlist and get your thoughts about how to move them forward.

Unrelated to you, we're working on a Badgeometer trophy case to show off people's earned badges. We're also working on adding an evidence (diff) parameter to all badge templates, so we can distinguish specific actions that led to a badge and count multiple badges of the same type that are earned by an editor. Really neat stuff involves a badge activity feed so we can livestream who gives and gets badges, right on the Teahouse main page or Q&A page. Jmorgan is going to be creating a spec sheet on how to do this with our badge data tables and we'll have that spec in the next month I hope. We also want to create a preload button on host profiles to award them a host badge, just like we do for Guest profiles. And in April we're going to start running some impact metrics using the database, and do a qualitative satisfaction survey about badges.

Ok, so that's all interesting background, but the part where I think you might be especially useful is this:

• Just like there are talkback links for user signatures on the Q&A page, we'd like to create links which would automatically add a Great question or Great answer to a user's talk page.
• If we can do that, we're curious if it's possible to "star" a question or answer which generated the badge, as a visual way to represent on the Q&A page that something great was done.

I think the first idea is possible with some userscript, preload magic. Would you be interested in giving it a shot? The second idea is probably much more complicated, but I'm curious what the technical challenges would be.

I hope you're doing well, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 19:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Writ, I had been meaning to ask this for a while and your discussion gave me the impetus to actually do so. I'd prefer not to have the userright. My articles don't tend to be problematic, but I don't make enough to be a burden, and I would prefer to get at least one other eye on what I contribute. I only accepted it because at the time new articles were not being indexed until they were reviewed, and pre-New Pages Feed my articles were languishing unreviewed so they didn't appear in Google Searches. That is not a problem anymore, can you do whatever you need to do to take away autopatrolled? Ryan Vesey 21:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

:Sure thing; if you ever want it back, just ask. Writ Keeper (t + c) 21:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

::Thank you. Also in regards to autopatrolled, I initially brought this to Moonriddengirl because I thought it would be primarily a copyright issue, but it turned out that copyright wasn't a major factor in this situation. Can you check out User talk:Moonriddengirl#Close paraphrasing?/Remove autopatrolled status?. (I really wish administrators would be more careful in who these go to. I've also got a removal request going at User talk:Ironholds#Pull an autopatrolled tag?) If there weren't so many autopatrolled editors, I'd propose that they all be rechecked. Ryan Vesey 22:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I spent some of my time today working on creating Wikipedia entries related to my DYING father's achievements in life, which are many and important. My hope was he could see them before he passes away. I created several entries for his pizza recipes and his personal history, and input some initial information with every intention of entering more information as I can gather it, and digitize it. Unfortunately, you rendered my investment of time and effort completely wasted by deleting my entries within minutes of creating them, absolutely without warning.

Apparently the Wikipedia community, which I just joined, is run by people with enough time on their hands to immediately make judgement calls about matters of which you have no basis to know, and who have little or no respect for the time and effort of others. I make this observation on the basis of your actions, and others who immediately pounced on posts which nobody would likely search for unless they were waiting, vulture like, for someone to post something, anything at all, new for them to attack.

So, yes, I am offended. I know that the guidelines ask nicely for us not to be, but I simply cannot help being offended when people go on offense against me, and especially when they do so as offensively as you have done, in deleting articles I wrote before even giving me - a brand new user - any guidance or opportunity to correct whatever you found objectionable (which I gather is the mere fact that I wasn't done yet).

I want to point out to you that the guidelines also say that there's no hurry. I'm pretty sure I read that. Well, that's clearly not the case, thanks to people behaving like you have.

For your information, Sir or Madam, I most definitely AM the son of Wayne Lynn who most definitely DID invent the recipes I listed, and my articles were NOT "hoaxes". If you had given me even a little time to provide the proof of that, I would have included it. But I wasn't to that stage in my approach to creating these articles yet.

I hope in the future you will bear this in mind, and not be so "trigger happy" in deleting entries immediately after they are made, without even giving the person a chance to do anything at all to preserve their effort, and address your concerns. Shame on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward L. Lynn (talk • contribs) 17:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, then, I really am. It wasn't in any way personal, although I can see why you would think it was. But your articles were indistinguishable from the numerous hoaxes that are submitted literally every day to Wikipedia. There were no sources, not even a token effort at sources, and I couldn't find anything remotely close to a source when I searched on my own. Without it, there's no way to tell that the articles aren't a hoax. I mean, you understand how ridiculous the moniker "Johnny Appleseed of American pizza" sounds to someone unfamiliar with the subject, right? And I don't mean that to belittle your father's accomplishments, I mean that it sounds like something someone made up. If you have reliable sources for these articles, then I'd be more than happy to restore them to you for you to work on. But without sources, I'm afraid I have to stand by my deletion.

:If you wish, you can ask for a second opinion from any administrator you like (since an administrator will be able to view the deleted pages), and I'll abide by their decision. You can see a list of administrators [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&limit=50 here]; I'd recommend checking the contribs of any admin you choose to make sure they're still around to answer your question. Alternatively, you may also ask for a formal review of my deletion at Deletion review; there are instructions on the page, but I'll help you with the process if you need it. Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

::Are any of the pizza recipes candidates for wikibooks? Ryan Vesey 18:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::"Shame on you"? I'm pretty sure that Writ Keeper was following appropriate policy, as far as I'm concerned here. TBrandley 18:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

::::Oh, I don't know, maybe I was being precipitous. I'm confident in saying that these weren't deleted out of policy, but perhaps I should've simply tagged them and let another person look before deleting. Edward's laying it on a bit thick, I think, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Writ Keeper (t + c) 18:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::@Ryan (and Radical Edward): Uh, I kinda doubt it; they're fairly nonspecific. But I'll restore them if either of you would like to go through them for that purpose. I'm not very familiar with Wikibooks. Writ Keeper (t + c)

::::@Writ_Keeper: Allow me to point out to you that the guidelines on page deletion state, "Page deletion is normally a last resort. If a dispute centers around a page's inclusion (e.g., because of questionable notability or where the subject has requested deletion), this is addressed via deletion discussions rather than by summary deletion." It would seem to me that the spirit of this would be to contact people with any concerns, and to give them a reasonable amount of time to address them. So, yes, I think you WERE a bit precipitous to say the least. But I do accept your apology. I hope in the future you won't be so quick to assume bad intentions on the part of others, that you will afford other users at least a minimal amount of the benefit of the doubt, that you will contact people and give them a reasonable amount of time to respond before taking actions you might regret, or they might, and I hope you will bear in mind the shortcomings of Wikipedia (no "save as draft" button comes to mind), and consider the possibility someone's articles may be a work in progress. Ed Lynn (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::You're right that there's no "save as draft", but there actually is an equivalent: instead of creating articles right away, you can create drafts in your userspace. To do this, create a page with the title "User:Edward L. Lynn/

Forgive my ignorance, but I believe what I am looking for is called a parser function. In any case, I wonder if one exists that could create a warning if {{t|Centered pull quote}} is used in the article space. If so, I plan on taking it to TfD and requesting that (it is currently technically allowed if the quote has already been used in the text). It's used in many articles right now, but is rarely used correctly. I don't feel it should be used in the article namespace at all. Ryan Vesey 00:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

:{{tps}} Yep, you can use any of the templates listed at Template:User_other#See_also; I'll set something up in the template's sandbox in just a second. —Theopolisme (talk) 00:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

::Hmph. Well, I was going to say that you need to combine a parser function and a magic word to the effect of {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACENUMBER}}|0||