User talk:Xeno/Archive 6

Thanks for the "branding", Xeno! Will the wonders of WP:AN/K never cease? S. Dean Jameson 04:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh, no problem =) yea, that's my humble contribution to "wiki humour". –xenocidic (talk) 04:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! So if you would, please delete the sandbox, and then restore it without the first two edits made. Cheers, -- iMatthew _T.C. 14:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:{{Done}} –xenocidic (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks so much! -- iMatthew _T.C. 14:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Anytime. –xenocidic (talk) 14:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Xenocidic (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights)--ChiragPatnaik (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hrm, something like {{user6|ChiragPatnaik}} ? ( {{user6|ChiragPatnaik}} ). You can pick one you like from the documentation page at Template:User. –xenocidic (talk) 14:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::tx ChiragPatnaik (talk) 15:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I've undone [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neverwinter_Nights_2%3A_Storm_of_Zehir&diff=225243657&oldid=225238675 this edit] of yours, as, whatever the IP's history (I haven't yet checked), it seems pretty clearly in the right here; even if it weren't for the fact that the entire section in question was apparently [http://news.filefront.com/atari-europe-confirms-neverwinter-nights-2-storm-of-zehir-expansion-pack-details/ cut & pasted verbatim from this press release], that article was clearly wildly POV and borderline spam. – iridescent 17:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:Fair enough, that seems reasonable. I just rolled back their edit history because they were trolling other users, assumed their other edits would be unconstructive as well. –xenocidic (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

::Regarding this, would you be able to have a word to explain to Xp just what he did that was wrong here, as I suspect he won't listen to anything I say given our history? Yes, the IP vandalised his talkpage - but it only started vandalising after he huggled a perfectly valid edit it made and mistakenly warned it for vandalism. Whatever he might think, I don't stalk his & his friends's contributions looking for reasons to block – but the same names keep coming up again and again with regards to misuse of automated tools. – iridescent 18:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xp54321&diff=225248500&oldid=225247122 Sure thing]. –xenocidic (talk) 18:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:::: In regards to this user i would strongly suggest that a block was not necessary, they were both out of line and if you take note, the user had only one valid warning. We a discussing this on IRC as this seems incredibly unfair to the IP user who only broke the rules, received 1 valid warning after having his perfectly constructive edits reverted multiple times. User:Prom3th3an (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

• The IP was blocked based on these edits: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neverwinter_Nights_2:_Storm_of_Zehir&diff=prev&oldid=225237328], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neverwinter_Nights_2:_Storm_of_Zehir&diff=prev&oldid=225237806], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xp54321&diff=prev&oldid=225242600], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xp54321&diff=prev&oldid=225243146]. Even their first good faith-ish edit removed a great deal of content, the reflist, the templates, the categories and the interwiki links and was done without an edit summary so I can understand why it was considered vandalism. And if you look at the timeline, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neverwinter_Nights_2:_Storm_of_Zehir&diff=prev&oldid=225238675 this edit] went through without a hitch and was left on the article, and over 20 minutes later the IP comes back to vandalize XP's talk page without provocation. I think it's a good block. The huggle-reverting debatably good faith edits issue is tertiary and something that's not under my control. –xenocidic (talk) 16:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
• Agree with Prom (although that "We are discussing this on IRC" has just torpedoed any future RFanything); the IP only vandalised Xp's talkpage after Xp reverted its valid edit. "Thus, when done without an edit summary would certainly look like a typical "chop off the bottom half of the page" vandalism at quick glance" (from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Iridescent&diff=225421803&oldid=225420178 your post to my talkpage]) sums up the problem with the editcount-racer mentality in a nutshell. If all they're giving an edit is "a quick glance" before they start throwing Huggle-generated warning tags about, they should have their toy taken away from them. – iridescent 16:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
• But how can anyone divine the intent of an editor who just removes a tonne of contents without an edit summary? And what of the fact that Xp actually helped him out telling him how to use an edit summary and when the IP finally got it right, the edit was left up, and then over 20 minutes later the IP comes back to vandalize Xp's talk page for no apparent reason? –xenocidic (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:So um...am I in trouble or not?--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 17:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I think you're in the clear - imo the first edit was debatably good faith but also easily mistaken for vandalism because it had no edit summary and removed the reflist, cats, templates, and iw links. We're just discussing the block at this point. The other edits you reverted were vandalism, and once the IP finally "got it right" the edit was left up there and then he decided to come back and harass you 20 minutes later. –xenocidic (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::::(ec) Sorry, and while I'm giving benefit of the doubt to Xp here in some ways (in light of the number of final warnings he's received, he's lucky in some ways not to be blocked himself, or at the very least stripped of rollback), but [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neverwinter_Nights_2:_Storm_of_Zehir&diff=prev&oldid=225236308 the original diff in question] was undoubtedly a valid edit. Yes, the IP took out the categories – but reading the deleted material, from the "gripping" in the first paragraph to the blatant advertising in the deleted paragraphs, makes it very clear that this was a legitimate removal of content, not a page blanking. I have great respect for Huggle as a tool when it's used properly (if you were following my talkpage in June you no doubt know my opinions on the matter). I have no respect at all for the editcount racers who don't bother to read what they're reverting. As Prom will know very well, since a similar issue came up regarding his own edits, and there are now no problems from him, it is perfectly possible to use Huggle for the purpose for which Gurch intended it (Only be used to undo edits that are blatantly nonproductive, such as vandalism, including edits that are obscenities, gibberish, extremely poorly worded content, smart-aleck editorial comments, and other useless remarks that have nothing to do with the subject), and not to revert edits if there is any doubt about whether an edit should be rolled back. (That "if in any doubt" warning comes up both when Huggle is installed and whenever it's run, so it's impossible to plead ignorance). – iridescent 17:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Mmmmmh.. it was 31 hour block. The ip made a few good edits but vandalized quite a few times as well, based on your diffs. IMO the block should have been shorter, 8-24 hours.But I'm no admin,;)--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 17:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::(to irid) Fair enough, and we've already censured Xp for that, and I gather he's taking steps to address the concern (namely, slowing down). But are you saying that the IPs vandalism and harassing actions after that revert are justified? Especially the fact that once he finally got it right, and his edit was left alone, he still came back to harass Xp? –xenocidic (talk) 17:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

←Suggestion to everyone:

1. The block is due to expire in a few hours anyway;
2. I've put the page in question into a (hopefully) stable and valid condition;
3. Five hours after the block expires, the IP will drop off the Huggle warning-counter so will stop having its edits targeted;
4. Everyone who did anything wrong here has been more than adequately warned;
5. The page in question is probably [http://stats.grok.se/en/200806/Neverwinter_Nights_2%3A_Storm_of_Zehir one of the least-read articles in the mainspace];
6. The IP, Xp, and the article in question are all no doubt going to be watched over the next few days;

then is there really any purpose served in continuing this conversation? I'm quite sure all four parties involved have something better they could be getting on with. – iridescent 17:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I just find it troubling that you are seeming to condone the IPs harassment of Xp long after the fact and I also consider this to be a very valid block. Nevertheless, I've shortened the block to 24 hours (which has passed). –xenocidic (talk) 17:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Great....I'm on Big Brother's watchlist again.:P(joke)--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 17:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't read the small print and was about to revert myself. Thanks for doing it for me and apologies again. Mathsci (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem. –xenocidic (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWJBscribe&diff=225422272&oldid=225372150])

thankyou i thought that just a page divider ElectricalExperiment 18:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:No, the minimum time is so that the person whose username is being usurped has time to object. –xenocidic (talk) 18:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::thanksElectricalExperiment 18:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering if you could hep me out regarding thies user. He has been coming back with multiple socks on a daily basis. The two admins that deal with him usually are offline. He is editing as we speak as User:Dr Donut D He is somehow getting around the protection of the used template and everything. It is obvious it is his sock, he is making the edits of all his other socks word for word. Thanks, Landon1980 (talk) 04:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Whilst I was reviewing it, it looks like seicer took care of it. –xenocidic (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I was getting ready to tell you that :-). Anyways, thanks for your time. Landon1980 (talk) 04:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::No problem. As I'm not familiar with the case, I was probably just going to block for edit warring (he was close to violating 3RR on the template) and let someone more familiar deal with it when they got back. But looks like everything peachy now. –xenocidic (talk) 04:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Peachy for now, but I'm sure he will be back. He is quite determined to implement his changes by any means necessary. I used to think I wanted to be an admin one day when I was experienced enough, but after seeing what you guys put up with I just don't know. I'm not sure if I have the patience for it. Landon1980 (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Well, at least now I know how to identify him per WP:DUCK. Let me know if you can't find the regular wranglers next time he shows up. –xenocidic (talk) 04:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARtellone&diff=225526884&oldid=225526732])

What a quick and clear response. Thank you so much for your assistance Xeno! It will take me a bit to understand all the 'wikipediaism' so I do appreaciate your guidence.

Best Regards,

Rtellone (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)R TEllone

:Any time, my door is always open. I'm off for the night - good luck with the article. –xenocidic (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, We're moving onto deletion if your interested (in admin coaching). I also wanted to say I hope you didn't take my comments about a recent block the wrong way... User:Prom3th3an (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:no, but if you review the timeline I think you'll understand why the block was perfectly justified. The IP's first edit could be mistaken for vandalism, and then he proceeding to do a whole whack of vandalism, finally he made the original good faith edit properly, which was left up on the article. 24 minutes later, he comes back to harass Xp for no apparent reason. that's unacceptable behaviour. –xenocidic (talk) 12:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:discussing stuff like this off-wiki is also a bad idea. –xenocidic (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey Xenocidic thanks for all the help with name changeing and everthing else. Your really cool. If I could make up a "Favorite Admin" Barnstar I would give it to you, but unfortunatley I dont have that kind of time. See you around.--Ezekiel 7:19 ^†alk 12:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh =) no problem - enjoy the new name. –xenocidic (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WBOSITG&diff=225592683&oldid=225585448])

Hmmm, that's interesting. I wonder if you've checked "ignore spoof test"? I think that will fix it. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 14:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WBOSITG&diff=225596871&oldid=225592683 here].

:: Heehee, no problem ;) weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 14:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Question: Were the following [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henri_Fantin-Latour&diff=225609118&oldid=225608615 edits] appropriate? Or do corresponding locations in lists not get linked internally? Washburnmav (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:It looks fine to me... I'm not sure if there's any guideline that speaks to that. –xenocidic (talk) 15:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I see you acted on this at Talk:Special Weapons and Operations Squad. Having read the article, I found it to be not only outdated and irrelevant but also badly written and incorrectly referenced (eg, click on footnotes 9 and 10). Some historical bits are worth keeping, maybe in the NSW Police article or elsewhere, but I think the article itself needs to be deleted. Elsewhere, here, I'm angling for the deletion of another similar article and its West Australian content to be merged into Western Australia Police. What think you? Cheers Bjenks (talk) 08:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:To be honest, I came to this article as a video gamer, (redirecting SWOS to Sensible World of Soccer instead) so I'm really not sure if the article on the former Aussie police agency should remain. Best of luck though. –xenocidic (talk) 00:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like we've been editing similar pages over the past few minutes. While I'm sure you'll be seeing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARevolving_Bugbear&diff=225623979&oldid=225623781 this] edit I just made, I wanted to get your thoughts on it, because it is quite straightforward for me and I don't want to come off as cruel to Prom or Bear. I feel strongly about that statement, but am unsure if the community would consider it innapropriate to make such a suggestion. I am always open to criticism and response. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:I have a feeling that two things are going to happen (probably both) 1) Prom is going to upgrade himself to an indef block with the current trolling he's doing with unblock templates and/or 2) Bugbear is going to withdraw from coaching as well (as I have). I was Prom's adopter, and I thought I had instilled the principles of civility, maturity and responsibility into him, but apparently I have failed. –xenocidic (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Well, calling it a "failure" on your part is untrue, which is the main reason I suggested closing the program. I can categorically say that I don't know Prom's age, but will say that when it comes to basic levels of maturity, there are so many things that wikipedia, or an admin coaching program, can never teach a person. Certainly not everyone is ready for adminship, and I think the community needs to realize that not everyone is ready for admin coaching, and it's not uncivil to suggest that. Such unready editors get a false sense of "where they are at" in regards to mature roles such as becoming an admin, and the coaching program sets them up for failure, frustration, and almost a certain outlash when this is realized. It happens time and time again, and it's concerning. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:You know, Xeno, there are quite a few people on the list that are probably a lot closer to being ready for adminship... (hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink, you know what I'm saying?) - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I would never presume to be ready to coach someone on my own at this time (I'm barely a month an admin); I was only serving as the assistant coach for bugbear since Prom was my adoptee. As for your nudging and winking, I'd be happy to serve as assistant coach for you, should you find a head coach. –xenocidic (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:At the rate people are being removed from that list, that should be in, oh... about a year... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::{{tl|sofixit}}! nothing stopping you from actively seeking a coach. =) –xenocidic (talk) 17:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh... I'm not concerned... I figure I'll get a coach when I get one... in the meantime, if I can learn as much as I can on my own, and have some of the experience already, it will make whoever's coaching job a little easier... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tinkleheimer&diff=225640784&oldid=225155456])

Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry for the confusion. :)<3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

If you get a chance could you reply to my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Twinkle_Preferences twinkle question] regarding preferences. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Answered there. –xenocidic (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the help, and for the archives box. Washburnmav (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Anytime =) –xenocidic (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Also replied [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWashburnmav&diff=225665320&oldid=225661714 here].

::::Thanks! Its always nice (and disappointingly rare) to get positive feedback out here :) I appreciate the advice on the blanking, I'll be sure to remember that in the future. Looking forward to that rollback, Washburnmav (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you unblock this IP range? I don't think it's fair that a whole IP range should be blocked just because it's owned by Best Buy. Eatpeaches (talk) 20:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Might be best if you contacted the blocking admin. –xenocidic (talk) 20:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to keep those things for recording and explaining range blocks. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 21:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's doubtful anyone who's not a troll would know how to find them (unless we somehow linked to it from the block message for an individual IP), but feel free to recreate it if you think it's a good idea. I doubt Eatpeaches has anything to do with bestbuy, he's just trolling Ryulong. –xenocidic (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hereford&diff=225671979&oldid=225490659])

I created a account simular to that name and was from the same ip. and i accedtly clicked done, so I reset it to it came back as open, the defered it to admins because it was a second request in 24 hours ElectricalExperiment 21:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hereford&diff=225676322&oldid=225671979 here].

::I always watchlist the accounts ive created. ElectricalExperiment 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hereford&diff=225677056&oldid=225676322 here].

Have you checked out Eatpeaches' first edit? Not 100% sure about a possible connection, but I mentioned it on the SSP case. Any idea which admins have dealt with this person before? GlassCobra 21:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:(crossposted), I'm not sure who Kate mcauliffe is/was/does. Not sure I've been involved in that one yet, but I'll take a looksee around..>Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yea, I don't know the connection either. What I do know is that peaches is clearly trolling. –xenocidic (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it seems that way. I did a bit of quick research, and it seems that this person was a pretty prolific troll in the early part of 2007. Since we can't do searches of usernames for a particular string, I had trouble tracking them down, but I left notes for Ryulong and DragonflySixtyseven, who have both dealt with this before. Hopefully we can get something worked out. GlassCobra 22:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::The account was indeed created by the Kate M. person - see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3AEatpeaches&year=&month=-1]. –xenocidic (talk) 22:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::It's also quite clear that "peaches" is not Llamadog903. Anyone remove that ridiculousness from LL903's talk/user/rfa pages yet? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Yes, that's all done. I'm figuring out how to close the SSP case now, if we want to discuss the peaches fellow we shouldn't do it on the same page. –xenocidic (talk) 22:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Case closed for realsies. :P I think {{tl|SSPa}} is normally subst'd, from what I can tell. I put back DT's comment from his original close as well. GlassCobra 22:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• Good additions. As far as substing though, Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Administrators this pages says it doesn't need to be. I'm wondering if the SSP bot needs it transcluded to find it? Never mind, the bot already absconded with the thread. –xenocidic (talk) 22:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
• :Me neither...learning on the job, see? –xenocidic (talk) 22:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
• ::Not a clue, my friend -- SSP has never been my forté. We've got a
  at the bottom, though, so I think we're cool. GlassCobra 22:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
• I've encountered the Kate McAuliffe vandal before (see User:Acalamari has a crush on Kate McAuliffe), and I'm tempted to block the Eatpeaches account, as it was created by a sock of the KM vandal (sockmaster unknown). What do you think? Acalamari 22:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I dunno, if the KM stuff hasn't been ongoing it might be seen as punitive. You should really consult someone who knows more about the case, was the person banned, just usernameblocked, etc? –xenocidic (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::They didn't just get blocked because of one username: they created at least a hundred sockpuppets (most in the "...has a crush on Kate McAuliffe"), and engaged in a lot of vandalism: in addition, there were a couple of Checkuser requests as well. The last KM rush was only a few months ago I think. Acalamari 22:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::At the present time my only knowledge of this KM stuff is seeing someone declining an unblock and telling them just to create the eatpeaches account manually (here). that being said, the peaches person has been basically trolling all day, so I'm certainly not going to question a block. –xenocidic (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Interesting stuff here, I'm not really sure what to do. It seems like all the KM accounts have been blocked, at least we know about this existing one. Looks like they've tried to make some legitimate contributions: welcoming two people, creating an article, protesting a range block. I'm not sure I'd support a block just yet, to be honest. If they start going south, then sure, but right now it might be better to let stuff go for a while. Thanks for chiming in though, Acalamari. GlassCobra 22:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::You're welcome. I wasn't involved in that Kate McAuliffe issues as much as Ryulong and Luna Santin were (I wasn't an admin at the time of the major disruption, and the KM vandal has been doing this for as long as I've been here), but I do know a few things about the KM vandal. I suggest three things (or we go with all three): 1. get input from the likes of Ryulong and Luna Santin; 2. see what the account does before taking any action; 3. talk to NHRHS2010, as he knows quite a bit about the KM vandal as well. Regards. Acalamari 22:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::After further thought, the fact they're targeting Ryulong with this RfC also raises red flags, as Ryulong is/was a target for the KM vandal. Acalamari 22:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::As the FNG here, I really don't have much to add, but feel free to hack it out here =) I did drop a note to Ryulong about the RFC/U. –xenocidic (talk) 23:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, and I've dropped Luna and NHRHS each a note. Acalamari, would you like to take this to your talk page? It may be more on topic, this thread has strayed quite a bit from the initial topic, haha. GlassCobra 23:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, actually, it doesn't really matter. I'm a FNG too, so I suppose I'll let you guys talk it out wherever you like. :) GlassCobra 23:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Heh...in all fairness, I only responded here and on GlassCobra's talk pages because that's where the discussions were. :) You could bring in to mine if you wanted to, but it the interests of keeping things together, I think it would confuse things if we continued this on my talk page (and no, this is not an excuse to get out of an orange banner rush. :D). Good one for leaving notes on Luna Santin's and NHRHS2010's talk pages. Acalamari 23:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I just moved all the talk from cobra's talk page over here, so, even though it'll result in orange banners, feel free to keep it here. who am I kidding, I LOVE orange banners! –xenocidic (talk) 23:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:As Xeno mentioned on the SSP case, it seems pretty likely that {{user|Eatpeaches}} is {{user|Ryulxng}}. The KM vandal did develop something of a fixation with Ryulong, if memory serves. One of these accounts immediately begins impersonating Ryu at an RfA; the other immediately questions one of Ryu's blocks and posts at the same RfA. The one account is an obviously abusive impersonator; the other has an obvious (if circumstantial) link to the KM vandal. They're both active around the same time. They're both welcoming users. Both appear to be experienced users. There is the question of why they selected the Cycloneim 2 and Llamadog903 2 RfAs in particular; others are running, but these two are both repeat attempts that seem to be trending downward. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ryulxng is already blocked, which is good. However, we should probably get a CU in here to verify Eatpeaches' connection. If the evidence is conclusive, I'd support a block. GlassCobra 00:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GlassCobra&diff=225689754&oldid=225689336])

Yeah, I know StatusBot is gone, but I've been too busy (read: lazy) to do much about it. Your status changer looks nifty, but does it require me to change my status manually? I'd rather not do that, if that's the case. GlassCobra 22:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GlassCobra&diff=225690256&oldid=225689754 here].

:Yes, it does require manually chaging your status... it's WP:QUI... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hey thanks! i'll be sure to share it with all the ruffians kind folk visiting my talk page today to talk socks. =) –xenocidic (talk) 23:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Hmm, I do like cake... GlassCobra 23:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

You've had 17 (this one makes 18, except I think UTC is on the 15th now) new threads started on the 14th of July. Welcome to my world, Xeno! I'm thinking of redirecting WP:AN/K to WP:AN/X :-). Of course, I won't until other editors start responding to posts before you get a chance to reply. :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:lol... and I've been gradually having to have misza get more aggressive. so... I guess I'm starting to tumble down that same rabbit hole =) –xenocidic (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::Don't worry 'bout the rabbit hole, it's great fun. Once you're falling, you forget about reality and start to enjoy the fall for what it is :-). I wouldn't change my wiki-experience for the world, I've made some good friends. Again, welcome to adminship! (you should make a new welcome template for experience users that suddenly find themselves at the heart of seemingly endless "issues")...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::There you go with the delegating again! ;> I'll work on it =p. –xenocidic (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Finalnight&diff=225714798&oldid=225714010])

Nice usage of a First Contact quote. Borg Queen and Locutus getting naughty (before he ends her)!--Finalnight (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:I thought it particularly appropriate =) –xenocidic (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Would you be able to provide me with a copy of my unfinished article on the band Dark ages that got deleted before i could complete it? Thanks. Pyro Stick (talk) 09:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pyro_Stick&diff=225790849&oldid=225769950 here].

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahunt&diff=225798710&oldid=225462054])

I started looking at the list because there were a number of red-linked accounts. In checking each one I discoverd that some were just new and hadn't had user pages created, but many were accounts that no longer exist. The only ones I was removing were deleted accounts, blocked accounts (mostly for vandalism) and non-existent accounts (i.e never created in the first place). I couldn't see any reason to leave them on the project page. I haven't touched any that were just inactive or not editing - they may well come back! Do you see a problem with removing deleted accounts, blocked accounts and non-existent accounts? If so I won't remove any more! - Ahunt (talk) 13:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAhunt&diff=225799240&oldid=225798710 here].

::Hi again - actually if you check the ones I removed they were all deleted accounts, none were just inactive. - Ahunt (talk) 13:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAhunt&diff=225799917&oldid=225799240 here].

::::Okay - thanks for your info on that. I was particularly looking at a couple of them that were permanently blocked for vandalism. Fun that they would have joined the userboxes project! - Ahunt (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahunt&diff=225803421&oldid=225801130 here].

::::::Well, rather than mess it up more, I'll leave you to do that! You may want to have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/participants to see how they have done it. It isn't ideal, but may give you some ideas. - Ahunt (talk) 14:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahunt&diff=225807602&oldid=225803421 here].

::::::::Will do! - Ahunt (talk) 14:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::All done now - and I fixed a formatting problem, too. - Ahunt (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahunt&diff=225812845&oldid=225807602 here].

Yeah, the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/participants chart is a certainly space-consumptive and I am not sure it adds a lot of value in the end. You want to see the Software project page, it is a true triumph of form over function. - Ahunt (talk) 15:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Morning! It was odd not having asked you a question by this point in the day lol. At the risk of being slightly stalkerish, I admit I have been reviewing your user pages quite extensively and stumbled upon your 360 games played list. From your game records, I see that you have excellent taste :). Re Mass Effect, I'm thinking about getting it in the near future. I loved KOTOR I & II, but I heard it is different. Your input? Washburnmav (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hrm, I only played KOTOR I very briefly and never even got the shrinkwrap off KOTOR II (blasphemy, I know), but Mass Effect was very enjoyable one of the best games for 360 imo. Highly recommended. Cinematic brilliance. Make sure you turn off your notifications if your friends list is very active what with the "came online" every 5 minutes, that really spoils the immersion. –xeno (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::Sigh. Your blasphemy is somewhat forgivable I suppose. I have played KOTOR enough for the both of us... I'll keep that in mind. Disappointed to see you don't own COD 4 anymore, I was very active on live on that game, never seemed to get old. Washburnmav (talk) 15:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My Twinkle is having major issues and it happened in the middle of me editing. Could you go [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River&diff=225835435&oldid=224603771 here] and restore the version of the page as of 16:47, 9 July 2008? That's what I meant to do but my twinkle won't let me rollback or restore right now. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Nevermind, got it working. Washburnmav (talk) 17:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Sure thing. Try reloading your cache because I may have futzed with twinkle trying to prevent some massive vandalism. Just a tip if you want to restore to a previous version manually, just look at the history of the article, click on the timestamp that you want to revert to, edit the old version, and save (of course using a descriptive edit summary). –xeno (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:For what my opinion is worth, the KOTORs are probably some of the best games I've ever played, on any system. Of course, I'm a massive Star Wars junkie, so YMMV. GlassCobra 21:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I just thought that "cabal" was an innapropriate word for an official group. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 18:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:well, it's anything but official... so it's actually a more appropriate name. no worries. –xeno (talk) 19:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Leonard%5EBloom&diff=225848134&oldid=225835342])

Thank you for closing it. I think it was an extremely helpful process, but not something I want to go through again anytime soon. Leonard^(Bloom) 19:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Leonard%5EBloom&diff=225860310&oldid=225848134 here].

Hey Xenocidic, remeber American Eagle, well get this he is now a Administrator on the Simple Wikipedia. I feel so weak now that half of my friends are admins of something. Just thought I'd let you know!--Ezekiel 7:19 ^†alk 16:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh, yes, I noticed you leaving a message for him, or vice versa, I actually congratulated him over there. i'm sure that if you work at it, one day you can be too =) –xeno (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:Well thanks man, your always so nice, and trust me if I would become an admin on something it would be Wookiepedia a.k.a Star Wars wiki. By the way there is something wrong with your sig. I clicked talk but it isn't a link to your talk page. Best Regards.--Ezekiel 7:19 ^†alk 17:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

::That's because you're already on my talk page =). Don't worry, I've made that mistake before too ;> –xeno (talk) 17:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:Dang it! Just when i thought I had an Admin fooled I was played like the Fool on the Hill, I love that song. Oh well unless I'm on before Friday you won't see me until August.I'm going to Manasquan Beach for two weeks!......for the 14th year in a row! Best Regards.--Ezekiel 7:19 ^†alk 18:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm well on my way in my pursuit of the 500 edit mark. I believe I have kept the quality of my edits high as well. I'm planning on re-applying for rollback at that point. Do you think I would succeed this time? Also, could you explain the difference between the granted rollback and those that Twinkle provides? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 18:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:Native rollback is faster and is done in the server-side so it's a lot lighter load traffic-wise. It doesn't give you an option to change the edit summary so unlike Twinkle's "rollback" or "rollback (agf)" it is only ever to be used to rollback obvious clear-cut vandalism (or yourself). I can have another look thru your contribs since I last reviewed you if you want. –xeno (talk) 18:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

::I will be going on vacation until Monday (Big Bend National Park =)), but I'm going to try to reach 500 edits by the end of today. Let's go ahead and wait till I get back to review my edits. Don't want it falling through too many times ;). Washburnmav (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Sounds like a plan. Just remind me once you get back and I'll take a look. –xeno (talk) 19:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Please consider removing the 3RR block on {{user|Waltzingmatilda57}}. I'm on top of the situation. —EncMstr (talk) 19:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:15 minutes? Okay, that's appropriate. —EncMstr (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe User:86.12.236.232 is a sockpuppet of Waltzingmatilda57. Unaware of protocol in dealing with sockpuppets. Can you advise? (Yes I know this sounds like a cheesy FPS video game.) Washburnmav (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:To avoid hassle, I've semi-protected the article. —EncMstr (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:(Re to Wash) Right, it's either a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet, so EncMstr just made the article unable to edit by anonymous users for now. In a one-off case like this the best thing to do is ping an admin (like you did) but formal sockpuppet reports are made at WP:SSP. –xeno (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:Do you ever speak English or have you developed your own kind of code? Obviously respect doesn't come into your vocabulary - Pretty sad Waltzingmatilda57 (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Waltzingmatilda57&diff=226125058&oldid=226125054 here].

Thanks, a troll putting up my personal information online is kinda scary... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:oh, scary indeed. i thought you just wanted to clean the history! use Wikipedia:Requests for oversight and send the diffs for something like that. Do you want me to restore the non-offending revisions? –xeno (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

::nope, this worked fine, I removed any personal info... no history, no way for a troll to get that info... is the page still semi-pp (edit:autoconfirmed)? - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I've added the semi back on for you. you know of course your deleted revisions are still viewable by admins, but we're a mostly trustworthy group =). oversight can fix that if you want. –xeno (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:I may consider that, I've already wrote oversight regarding the WP:UUA edits, once that's fixed I may have my page wiped too... I'm not so worried about admins as I am personal trolls... I'm pretty sure I know who it is, and I've already emailed OTRS about it... Thanks again, I owe you another pint... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

How can I get 2008 AFL season temporarily locked to new users? The page has received a number of bad edits recently and will take a bit of work to repair. Lympathy ^Talk 14:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:WP:RFPP is your place. :) GlassCobra 14:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::I don't think there's sufficient history to have it protected though. Bad edits in good faith won't qualify, I'm afraid. (Are they vandals or just poor editing choices?) –xeno (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::After editting it I realised that it was just poor formatting over several different users. It looked worse to me than it was. All fixed now. Lympathy ^Talk 14:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I see today marks two years since your first edit. Congratulations on the milestone. Useight (talk) 18:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:wow, were you watching Irid's talk page, or is this another one of those crazy useight coincidences? oh, and thanks =) –xenocidic (talk) 18:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Image:Movicons2-flower.gif Happy edit-birthday! – iridescent 19:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::hehe, thanks, and sorry for drama'ing up your talk page. I guess I got mixed up, what with AN/K going to keeper, I figured AN/I should go to irid =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Happy editday! GlassCobra 19:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Happy Edit-Day!!!:D--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 19:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks. I did cheat a little, and kinda fecked off between aug 2006 and jan 2008 =) (with sporadic IP edits in the interim) –xenocidic (talk) 19:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Yeah, I happened to see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Iridescent&diff=225648439&oldid=225647833 this edit summary] on my watchlist. I guess it was lucky that I hit F5 at the right time, but this one isn't as "coincidency" as other times. :P Useight (talk) 19:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::*phew* if it was a coincidence like last time I woulda really been creeped out =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Don't worry, I'm not stalking you...just your talk page (and other talk pages, for that matter). Useight (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::Rawr... gratz on 2 years... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Happy wikiday!!ElectricalExperiment 21:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks again, all =). –xeno (talk) 20:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHappyme22&diff=225932460&oldid=225931308])

And I'm pleased to have been the first to answer your scenario. :) Happyme22 (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:Just curious - what did you think of the layout? was it easy to follow? –xeno (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

::I had to read the "Confused?" drop-down box to fully understand what the two columns were and why there was different colored text. But after that I'd say it was definitely pretty easy to follow. Happyme22 (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Inspired by your division-by-zero block, I thought I would be a bit silly with my reasons during admin school. I figured that I ought to be sensible when doing adctual blocks, deletions, etc, so now is the time to let my hair down. Still got a few more lessons to do, but I figured you might want to have a look in at what you've started... [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=StephenBuxton]. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh. my favorite is the matrix one: 07:53, July 14, 2008 StephenBuxton (Talk | contribs | block) unblocked "192.0.2.16 (Talk)" ‎ (User admits there is no spoon.). =) just wait till you really bungle your first admin related log message. you'll feel like a peon. then about 200 admin actions later you'll stop caring so much =) –xeno (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::I was wondering if anyone would get that reference. Well, I've done the silly, and will eventually get on with using the blocks myself. Before that though, I'll just carry on reporting vandals at AIV, and watch to see how the various people get blocked (lengths, account creation protection and all that). Never paid too much attention in the past back when I was a pure vandal fighter - it was enough for me to see they were blocked. I know the theory now, but I want to see other people do it in practice before I do any. My goal? To do at least 300 admin actions before I feel like a peon (grin) StephenBuxton (talk) 17:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Nonsense. Just block them (anon-only, account creation blocked-the defaults) if you want, for 12 hours to be conservative, but I usually go for 24 or 31 hours. Also look at their previous blocks - if they're repeaters and it looks to be the same person or it's a school - use gradually increasing blocks. P.S. I've got a custom twinklewarn.js that selects the "Blocking" level of warning by default. User:Xenocidic/twinklewarn.js, feel free to import it. –xeno (talk) 17:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you (or a talk page stalker) check out Kenneth Moore? We've got original research from a relative on there; I welcomed her but she apparently just logged out and re-edited. She did [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_contributors%27_help_page#Question_about_correcting_a_factually_incorrect_wikipedia_site ask for help] but of course got the right answer, which would not be what she was looking for. To add to it, it's not entirely clear the article's subject even meets WP:N. I don't want to be a stalker; I'd rather we gain a new productive editor...any assist would be appreciated.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  13:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Competing in the Olympics automatically qualifies athletes for notability, as for the OR, I'd be inclined to tag it with fact and let someone else sort it out further down the line. There are a few editors who work with the olympians-from-years-ago, let me search my archives and find them and then send them your way here. {{Done}} I left messages on their talk pages to come look here. –xeno (talk) 13:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:In looking at the source for his birth year, it's listed at 01/01/1899 which strikes me as a bit of a "we're not sure" date. –xeno (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::I noticed in the article that it no longer has a birth-date but I thought the same as Xeno, that 1/1/1899 is unlikely to be the actual date and I would prefer to see a tag that asks for references to be added rather than delete good-faith edits. Perhaps the user can negotiate to create a Primary Source which we can reference. Lympathy ^Talk 14:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I appreciate your offer, but I will have to pass on this. In regards to the January 1, 1899 birth, most historians will use the January 1 birth date as a default if the birth date is not known, but the birth year is. Chris (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Is that a reliable source though? Do 33 year olds normally compete in Olympic hockey? (This isn't a facetious or rhetorical question, I don't follow sports very much at all =) –xeno (talk) 14:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::Google isn't really turning up anything conclusive on this guy, unfortunately...I found a few Olympics databases, but none of them list his age or any info about him other than winning the gold. To be honest, though, I'd side more towards taking out the OR instead of tagging it. Verifiability, not truth. GlassCobra 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I have no problem with a 33 year old competing especially in that era. January 1st is what I find least likely. I would consider the source and that date unreliable. Lympathy ^Talk 14:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to continue to monitor here and the article itself. Hopefully someone can come up with something; her request on the help page yielded some responses. Thanks all.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  22:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Sure thing. The user below (I've combined the sections) may still be working on it as well. –xeno (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Xeno! Many thanks for your info about the edits to Kenneth Moore! I will try to find out more about him, I have just mailed a friend. Feel free to ask me again if you find cases like this. Yes, I remember that we spoke about the notability of all these athletes. :) But wiki is a good place to find relatives who can help with missing data. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, do you know the appropriate block notice template for an indef block of an advertising-only account? Tan {{IPA|ǀ}} 39 14:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:{{tl|Uw-sblock}} (|indef=yes). Aren't you using Twinkle? It's got all that in there ;> –xeno (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::That's not an indef block, though. Hang on, I'll dig around. GlassCobra 14:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I know, I've seen that template. But "You have been blocked for a period of XXX from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for continuing to add spam links." seems inappropriate for an advert-only account. I want it to mention the username and the fact that it's advertising. Tan {{IPA|ǀ}} 39 14:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::It is when you do it like this: {{subst:Uw-sblock|indef=yes}}. –xeno (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::: Here we go: {{tl|Uw-soablock}} (shortcuts: {{tl|so}}, {{tl|soa}}, {{tl|soab}}) GlassCobra 14:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ah, try {{tl|Uw-soablock}}. –xeno (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::perfect. Thanks guys - Tan {{IPA|ǀ}} 39 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::don't forget to subst or xenobot will gitcha! –xeno (talk) 14:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xenocidic&diff=226251563&oldid=226251487 Darn it], I need to find somewhere else to screw around now... :P GlassCobra 14:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Lol, no - don't worry. Apparently I've finally "arrived" (per Keeper, somewhere above) –xeno (talk) 15:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC) (#Welcome =)

::I don't understand, what exactly is WP:TPS? Is that some kind of new-fangled cabal? - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Yep, we got a userbox and everything! {{tlu|WP:TPS/userbox}} –xeno (talk) 01:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:but the question is... am I really TPS if I'm only stalking a couple other users pages? Imma have to make a UBX that says I'm a Xeno-jaguar or something... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

::The moment you answer a question directed to someone else on their talk page, you're a talk page stalker =) In fact, I'm constantly changing the talk pages that I stalk. Normally I'll stalk a talk page of someone who I have an open query with, and then take them off a week or two later. –xeno (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:dammit! that takes me from TPS'ng only a couple user to like a half dozen... isn't there some kind of qualification regarding how many questions directed towards you that I've answered? - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGary_King&diff=226227403&oldid=226222345])

You can probably find someone to write it at WP:VPT or something. I could write it but would rather not spend time on it as I'm not sure how long it would take me. And the tool's functionality isn't that useful to me because I prefer to edit undetected when I can :) Yeah, the Greasemonkey should only run when you start your browser and should stop when you close it. Gary King (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gary_King&diff=226337655&oldid=226310717 here].

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IMatthew&diff=226290978&oldid=226290238])

Yep, thats the one! Thanks for the kudos! -- iMatthew _T.C. 23:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way to merge the edit history of The Conduit (video game) into The Conduit? The article was moved to the former back in April, and the latter became a redirect, at least until now when their roles have been reversed. I had done the initial moving because I thought "The Conduit" was too generic to be an article without the "(video game)" elaboration, and naturally loads of edits have happened between then and now which are no longer easily visible. I've heard of merging article histories somewhere, but I haven't the foggiest of where to go. Can you help? -- Comandante {Talk} 02:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:ugh, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Conduit&diff=226365824&oldid=206563510 cut and paste move]. sure, I'll do it. –xeno (talk) 02:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

::{{Done}}. happy editing =) –xeno (talk) 02:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Much obliged. I actually didn't expect anything to happen until tomorrow, apparently you're either online 24/7 or semi-telepathic (a full telepath wouldn't need a computer. Or the Internet). Thanks for taking the trouble to handle this so quickly. -- Comandante {Talk} 02:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

::::LOL! You caught me whilst I was cleaning out my watchlist =). The status display usually doesn't lie too - unless I forgot to set it to "offline". heh. –xeno (talk) 02:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::I've had my status set to online for the past 3 days and just realized it. Anyway, I guess it was just the luck of the draw that you were on at the time. Too bad you're not a telepath, I wanted to add someone to my telepathic friends list. As expected, it's still empty; it makes me doubt that there's any reason to have such a list at all, but I soldier on. There will be a day in future, a great and glorious day, a day that will live forever in infamy, when that list will mean something! There is still a place for lists of nonexistent people in the universe! And for ASCII Art of that owl picture that says "O, RLY?" And for vegetarian bacon, not just flattened strips of flavored broccoli, but a bacon substitute made of tofu that actually tastes like bacon! I don't even like tofu. But that day will come!!! You can tell I have nothing better to do, I thought about not typing this at all (for a second (alright, 27 seconds by my watch. I mean honestly, this is pointless)). -- Comandante {Talk} 02:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hey! ASCII art FTW!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:well, i never said i wasn't telepathic, so, next time you need me, just think really hard=) –xeno (talk) 03:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you tell me how to undo a page move. Also can you take action against this user [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_R_Ansari]. You will understand when you see his contribs. --SkyWalker (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:Page move vandalism can usually be reversed simply by making the page back over it's original location - as long as no edits have been made to the left-over redirect. The user has already been blocked. –xeno (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, who gave you permission to use my EFD page?! >:O

No, I'm kidding, of course. Good to see some activity there. :) GlassCobra 17:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh, things have been pretty heated on WP:AN/K just thought I could lighten things up a bit, or at least get them out of the house =) –xeno (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

By any chance do you have email turned on? I have a slight problem that really doesn't need to be broadcast across the net... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes. –xeno (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone you will not believe. The UK magazine WebUser, features a Website Secrets section. Number 45 of WebUser 192 (page 27) reads:

Radio Wikipedia

Not many people know that the online encyclopedia has its own radio programme, which covers various aspects of using and updating the site. You can listen to it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RADIOWP.

Can you believe it. I'm mentioning this in a special issue. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:Impressive! –xeno (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

::I can't believe it. I've emailed the editor thanking them, and hinting at other mentions. We need to be prepared for the traffic. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

::PS: WikipediaWeekly and NotTheW... got one little paragraph. We got a whole one. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hersfold&diff=226025794&oldid=225370536])

I do have that in the lesson already, actually - the second and third code snippets both show how that works. Thanks, though, it's always interesting to see how far these lessons are spreading. :-)

As for your question, I'm not having any luck suppressing it. Using #ifeq: as you tried should work, I'm not sure why it isn't (see my test). The good news is, you don't have to transclude WP:RFPERM itself, just its three subpages, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Acc, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback, and Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rem. Those aren't too obtrusive when added, and it'll help people add new requests if they come across your userpage or whatever. I just looked, and I don't see any parsers to help with this, although you did give me a great idea for a feature request. Sorry I can't be of more help there.

Otherwise, vacation's going well, thanks. Should be back on regular editing in a couple weeks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:Got it, glad I sent in the feature request. Mediawiki does have something to show the size of a page, which you can use like this:

{{#ifeq: {{#expr: {{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Requests for permission/Rollback}} < 180 }} | 1 | No current rollback requests

| {{Wikipedia:Requests for permission/Rollback}} }}

:So, if the page is so short it can only possibly contain the header, the statement is true, returns a 1, and spits out "No current rollback requests" or whatever else you want it to show. Yay! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 07:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHersfold&diff=226657897&oldid=226592759 here].

Hello,

I made changes to several relevant pages in enviro tech and put a page up on the Green Technology Alliance. Any copyright issues I had full rights to do any "cut and paste" from the .org site. My changes on other pages were specifically to clean up etc. and add relevant areas, links etc. Much was deleted and so was the GTA page. Can you tell me what I did wrong? I looked at several others for a model and then tried to make it link primarily back to other wiki pieces.

Thanks also if you could send a copy of the page back to me I would really appreciate it. I apologize if I violated any policy as I tried very hard not to. This issue is incredibly important and I would love to contribute extensively to related areas but can't take the time to do it if I am going to just get deleted.

Thanks M--

Michelle.Naquin Juoly 19, 2008 10:56 CST Michelle.naquin (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelle.naquin (talk • contribs) 15:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:My replies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMichelle.naquin&diff=226657086&oldid=226324222 here].

:I remember the issue, it was a copyright violation (direct copy and paste of copyrighted material) of [http://www.greentechnologyalliance.org/ http://www.greentechnologyalliance.org/]. This means that that website holds copyright for whatever is written on it. For information to be able to be used on Wikipedia, it must be released to the public domain under GFDL. There is a message on your talk page with more information about all of this, and what you can do. I would recommend you read Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission as well as the above linked GFDL. Even if you own the website and the copyright, that does not mean it can be used (word for word) on Wikipedia without permission. The easiest thing to do is just to re-write it without breaking the copyright, but if you feel it is absolutely necessary to copy and paste word for word, then read the above linked articles.

:If I remember correctly, there was also an issue with notability. Please also read WP:COMPANY and WP:V for guidelines on notability and verfiability... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand, I think the major issue is that it would be a conflict of interest and then the copyright obviously. I could rewrite the text so there is no copyright issue, but want to make sure that I am not putting myself and my other contributions in to a watch list. So if one or both of you tell me if I reword it I can repost I will otherwise I will leave it for now. We being the GTA have been written up in several external articles that I did not link to because I thought it would be a violation of "advertising."

For additional contributions I consider critical and would like to contritube to are for example, environmental technologies. Clean, Environmental, Green and Sustainable Technologies should and do have different definitions. What is the most appropriate way to address breaking these out and cleaning up the articles that exist under Green Computing, Green Building and the 4 types of technologies. As well there needs to be Green IT as a separate category, Green datacenters, etc. Also standards that are being developed in this space should have a separate entry. Michelle.naquin (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC) Michelle.Naquin

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMichelle.naquin&diff=226663164&oldid=226657086 here].

:The only thing that I would add to Xeno's reply would be to check out the links provided in the 'Welcome' message left at the top of your talk page. As far as your company goes, there are the concerns with copyvio & COI, but also, unless you can show notability, and are able to verify that notability, the article will not make it. This doesn't automatically mean your company will never be notable, there are hundreds of articles about companies created each day that don't pass WP:N or WP:V, one day it could be notable, just not yet (or that notability is not verifiable yet).

:As far as other contributions are concerned, please feel free to contribute wherever and whatever you wish, so long as those contributions also pass the assorted guidelines. Again, the 'Welcome' message at the top of your talk page can answer most 'new editor' questions you may have. If you need help with anything, leave a message here, or on your talk page, or on mine. If you leave it here, then you might get a faster response (but not necessarily from me or Xeno), as there are quite a few people watching stalking here (rawr). And you can always use the {{helpme}} template on your own talk page if no one answers you here. - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AProm3th3an&diff=226648606&oldid=226626782])

Im sorry, i didnt mean to violate policy, i misread the "Bots (short for "robots") are generally programs or scripts that make automated edits without the necessity of human decision-making." One of the tasks the bot was performing is manual and i am in full control off (and dont need approval for), the other one (image tagging) was fully automatic, which is what you probably blocked it for (my bad).

Since you have unblocked would you care to remove your block notice from BAG, thanks User:Prom3th3an (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:My replies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AProm3th3an&diff=226649791&oldid=226648719 here].

Hey, I was going to archive the completed requests on the WP:RFPERM page, but I can't figure out how the archives work with the T-x sections... help? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [{{fullurl:Special:Log|user=Admrboltz}} log]) 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:Looks like SoxBot took care of it... Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Cheeseburger.jpg

Oh nohs!!! activity sloweds... Wikipedia iz falling aparts! long live AN/X!!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh.. maybe just steering clear of teh dramahz =) –xeno (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

::We needz moar cheezeburgerz? - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheeseburger delivery! GlassCobra 15:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Waffles_with_Strawberries.jpg

:::Looks tasty... I may have to duck out now fo foodz =) –xeno (talk) 15:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

::::U haz cheeseburger rite heer! GlassCobra 15:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::mmm...belgian waffles... bbiab =) –xeno (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:BnG(07-20-08).JPG

::dammit... now I'm hungry... breakfast time I guess... Can I has Sausage gravy & biscuitz? - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yayz, activityz, AN/X FTW!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:::(full stomach) Hrm, shouldn't that have been uploaded to the commons? –xeno (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

::sure, I suppose it could've been... someone might transclude it one day, some of my photos have been transcluded, some haven't... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

..for your change to the talk page on the latest RfA. Slipped my mind : ) Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:N'est pas problème. –xeno (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any idea as how hypocritical your removal of the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Okiefromokla (which I have undone now, because this disruption of discussion cannot go on like that) comes off seeing how you were indeed the first one to respond to him in J.delanoy's RfA? Please don't disrupt good-faithed discussion like that. And when I put bold letters in there that say DO NOT REMOVE THIS GOOD-FAITHED CONSTRUCTIVE POSTING, I usually mean it, and please assume, if you find it in you, that I wrote that for a very good reason. Turns out I did. The point is that Kurt prefers to state his opinion in individual RfAs rather than a central discussion. It strictly follows that all the discussion to which he opens up his opinions by stating them must take place where he takes them: In those same RfAs. I regard removal of civil discussion as highly disruptive. Please don't do it again. user:Everyme 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:The discussion was not removed, it was simply moved to the talk page of the RFA, as is customary when long drawn out discussions regarding kurt's oppose occur. If I trigger one of these long discussions, I'll be the first one to suggest it gets moved, out of respect for the candidate. kurt has even shown himself willing to engage in the discussion once it is moved to the talk page (where it probably belongs - as it often has nothing to do with the candidate). –xeno (talk) 05:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::"as is customary" — It's a bad habit. There is nothing disruptive or uncivil in that thread, just some users exchanging their opinion in what ostensibly is a discussion. What needs to stop even more than unuseful, uncivil badgering of Kurt (or anyone else for that matter) is the regular stifling of all civil and potentially constructive discussion surrounding it, first and foremost because this automated removal of every response to one of his opposes creates the impression that RfA is not a discussion. And yes, "moving" it to the talk page does very much mean removing it from the main RfA page. Please, just don't do it in an automated fashion anymore. If there are truly uncivil comments and the whole thing degenerates into pure mudslinging, then yes, it may be ok to excise certain parts. But (re)moving it wholesale just because it's a discussion following one of Kurt's opposes should be totally out of the question. user:Everyme 06:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::but it had nothing to do with the candidate - which is why i moved it. it was not automatic. look, i used to try and get kurt to change his mind about the power hunger thing too, but it just won't work. i think he likes the negative attention. and obviously, people keep feeding him it. anyhow, the discussion doesn't get stifled, people still go to the talk page, and still comment. and as I've said elsewhere, he could do a lot worse to the candidate - by actually finding a legitimate reason to oppose and people might actually say, hey - yea, "oppose per kurt". as it stands now, he usually just gets people to support the candidate just to offset his pointy oppose. p.s. kurt reads every comment that gets posted in opposition to him - whether be it on the rfa, the rfa's talk page, or wt:rfa. he lives for that. if he doesn't respond, he's just doing it to bug you. when he wants to respond, he will. –xeno (talk) 06:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Of course it had nothing to do with the candidate — just like Kurt's oppose doesn't. Look, if the community decides to tolerate Kurt's opposes, which is fine by me, they must consequently also tolerate the discussion they cause. That is incidentally the primary problem I see with Kurt's opposes: They barely relate to the candidate, and Kurt even says so himself. What is not possible is to tolerate Kurt's non-candidate-related opposes, but at the same time curb any debate those opposes create. It's a matter of reap what you sow, you being the people who defend Kurt's right to express his opinion any way he likes and to "defend" him from being badgered. You can't just come charging in and say that he has to be tolerated while my good-faithed efforts can be removed just like that. If and when Kurt decides to try and make his (partly valid!) points in an appropriate central venue, the discussion will happen there. So long as he doesn't, it will happen wherever he drops them. You can´'t have one without the other. Bottom line, because I notice that I'm about to lose my temper over this shit again: Just don't move around any comment of mine without (i) an excellent reason and without (ii) notifying me. Ok? user:Everyme 06:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm asking for input/clarification at AN. user:Everyme 09:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Fair enough - but your comments were not removed, they were just moved. Next time a kurt-based oppose thread that you are involved in becomes unwieldy, I'll let you know after I move it (unless of course, community consensus changes such that we decide to leave such threads in place - and just for clarity - it's not just the extended-discussions-after-kurt that get moved, it happens with other extended discussions too - kurt's opposes just attract them so very often).

:Thanks for letting me know. –xeno (talk) 12:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for restoring it, hopefully it will stick, at least this one time. Btw, with regard to your comment at AN that it's "such a fine line". I had another look, and honestly I don't think it is. It started not to be a rational discussion about the oppose and how it relates to the candidate precisely with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Okiefromokla&diff=226814777&oldid=226813222 this comment], incidentally the minute before you first moved the thread. Whatever the best course of action —mind you, I readily accept that restoring the comments is merely my own POV, albeit for reasons laid out at AN—, a polite reminder to keep comments on track and not digress into detached meta-commentary, let alone of the type that discusses the contributor and speculates on his motivations might be a generally useful auxiliary in such situations. Granted, it takes two to tango, but often it takes only one to take a discussion downhill. user:Everyme 14:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, that's exactly where I was going to cut it on the tail end, but I was also considering cutting some stuff from the lead-in as well, and then once I started getting into that I just said "fsck it" and restored the whole shebang. –xeno (talk) 14:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Which is fine by me as well. Just returned here to add my finding that while I hate to denounce other people, he happens to have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Realist2 a bit of a history] as far as personal attacks go. user:Everyme 14:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm gunna make another stab at removing the stuff unrelated to the candidate, if that's ok with you. –xeno (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Fire away. Anything that preserves the valid parts (i.e., the actual discussion of the topic at hand) is ok with me. user:Everyme 14:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::{{Done}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Okiefromokla&diff=226998162&oldid=226993632] - as per my statement on the RFA talk page, feel free to move anything back that you might feel was still relevant. –xeno (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Nah, I won't move anything around there any more. At any rate, good call. The parts you left out are precisely the ones which are not in any way related to the RfA. user:Everyme 14:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::cheers =) i'll try to be more discerning in the future. –xeno (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Ah yes, about that... Your comment about the fine line at AN actually made me feel bad for my initial aggressive reaction. I'm quite aware that you moved the discussion not, as I assumed and alleged, in defense of Kurt but instead you were merely trying to do the best. I think you've mastered the challenge admirably, and if anything, the lesson that should stick is that you can trust your judgement and shouldn't hesitate to exercise discretion. Definitely preferable, in this case at least, over a wholesale removal out of the understandable but in your case unjustifed fear of doing the wrong thing. user:Everyme 14:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:ah thanks for that mate, and don't sweat it =) –xeno (talk) 14:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

i just remembered, the movie was "the day the earth stood still. i tried finding the novels you recommended at the book stores here but no one ever heard of them. i guess i can get them from Amazon but haven't mustered much desire to order from overseas and pay that much shipping.

as for leadership gurus. it seems to be a tie. one guy says no, one guy says yes... "what does it all mean???" you are the only person who takes me seriously in the world of wiki. even in the real world people underestimate my mental ability because of the way i look. at least hear i am only seen for my knowledge an contribution, or at least that is the way i would like to think...

Hotmarcie (talk) 03:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hotmarcie&diff=227000571&oldid=222072769 here].

You may want to look at this. Would it be appropriate to give him the "second chance" template or whatever it is? I don't think I have ever seen someone who was blocked indefinitely be so persistent in saying that they have reformed. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 15:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't see anything redeeming about that person's contributions. Even in my "hypothetical" case, he does have the one edit to his credit. Heck even the "wikichums" thing seems trollish. But you're certainly free to suggest it to Risker. –xeno (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Shiny! Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I've stopped the bott for now. Again, I apologize. I really don't know why its editing dismbig pages, it should be skipping them. I'll keep it stopped until I can fix that. Thanks, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 17:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem, though it would probably be a good idea to manually correct those errors. I corrected a few that I saw on the interwiki's I already have active, didn't want to create new accounts on other langs =) –xeno (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No offense on title! >.> Thanks for making me an account! ~~Sealim~~ (talk)

:No problem. Happy editing, –xeno (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you check the article. That user is saying the source is not working. When i checked those two links it is working fine. Also that user is using filthy language. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:looking at the article, the sources, and the history, you are both close to WP:3RR. I placed a warning on his/her/it's talk page regarding this... I would recommend you step back from the article for a moment just to be sure you don't also break 3RR... I will keep an eye on the article, as well as the user. - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:: How am i breaking the 3RR?. He is blanking the article and calming the source is not working. He is also used filthy languages at me such has calling me a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonic_and_the_Black_Knight&diff=227048128&oldid=227047754 bitch] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SLJCOAAATR_1&diff=227049056&oldid=227048579 ignorant dumbass]. Anyways it is 1 am here. Iam going to sleep. Take care Adolphus. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::He's blocked for edit warring, incivility & personal attacks. As far as 3RR, you should have been fine per the exception policy. –xeno (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::: Thanks. You are my wonderful brother. :D. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nishkid64&diff=227049213&oldid=226999171])

Yes, I just saw Keepscases' talk page. Reverted self. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 19:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nishkid64&diff=227049595&oldid=227049213 here].

I'm surprised that you consider some questions "inappropriate," and yet you defend Kurt's right to oppose nearly every RfA with the same or similar reason and no explanation. I find the unique questions at every RfA to serve a valuable purpose - you cannot "game" the system by studying for a question that has never appeared before. I admit that my own random question was an easy one to answer, but it was still unexpected, a little off the beaten path, and useful to the RfA process. Part of the process is to see how a candidate reacts when something unexpected happens. I think we should leave it be, and even welcome it.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  19:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:I, too, thought it was strange that you removed the question about drugs, but not the one about the "cookie obsession". Seemed like a double standard. Useight (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Keepcases has a history of asking inappropriate questions, I'm only enforcing the warning that WJBscribe issued to him previously. Also per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Milk%27s_Favorite_Cookie/Userboxes&oldid=190480075 this], MFC is drug free. –xeno (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I know of Keepcases' past RFA questions, he asked me on my RFA if I was going to leave any of my estate to the Wikimedia Foundation upon my death. This particular question seemed to be more applicable to adminship than most of his past questions. Useight (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Put it back then. I won't edit war over it. He's been asked by WJBscribe not to ask inappropriate questions, yet he continues. The question seemed to make an assumption that the user is a drug user, which I find inappropriate. –xeno (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::: (ec)The question was added as a joke, no reason to get upset with Keep but perfectly valid to remove a question that is just wasting time and space. Maybe if the editor had some prior known issues with drugs then it would be a good question, but let's be real here. Cookie question should have been removed too. It's not so much that the questions are majorly disruptive, but rather they reflect people just goofing around and removing the questions seem to be the correct BOLD move. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::I removed the question because I felt it was a joke question from Keepscases. It does have some sort of relevance to adminship, but his history of question-asking on RfA doesn't show him as being a serious person. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 19:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::(edit conflict)(reply to Xeno) Hmm, when you put it that way, removing it sounds fine. Probably ought to remove the cookie question, too. I've got to head off to class now, so this is my last edit for a little while. Useight (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I left the cookie question because the user doesn't have a prior history of asking disruptive questions. However, per WT:Requests for adminship/Archive 125#Going to start removing stupid questions, it should probably be removed as well. –xeno (talk) 19:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

: (@ frank) I don't really think I'm the staunch defender of kurt's opposes that you think I am, I used to be on the other side of the coin but I've come around somewhat. "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death, your right to say it." Anyhow, keepscases has a history of asking these silly questions which is why I removed his; but somewhat per your other sentiment, I left the cookie one. –xeno (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think (to several above) that the point is that it's not for other editors to determine what is an appropriate question. It's a bit indelicate to make the suggestion of drug use here, so I won't go into examples, but supposing the user's answer reveals something that other editors find either a positive or a negative? Suppose the answer is rude? Suppose it's eloquent? I, for one, was mightily impressed by the haiku question and answer. I find these questions to be far more useful than any robotic opposes that come up. Also, I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WJBscribe&oldid=225089836 commented on WJBScribe's page] but got no comment; not sure what (if anything) to make of that. But the bottom line is I don't think the warning is appropriate.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  21:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:alright, you're probably right. i struck the warning. –xeno (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Xenocidic. Don't you think the questions of Keepscases are funny? RfA is very stressful. His questions can help to reduce stress. Mr. Kurt is allowed to do whatever he likes. Nobody is doing enough to stop Kurt Weber. Questions of Keepscases are far better than Kurt’s nonsense. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:I already softened my stance to him as can be seen at his talk page per the #RfA "warning" thread above. I'm fine with his questions as long as they're not overly ridiculous, or make inappropriate assumptions such as the candidate is an hallucinogenic drug user. Yes, they might relieve stress, but on the other hand, they might add more, as WJBscribe astutely pointed out. –xeno (talk) 11:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you for your reply. I think you have a point. After my unsuccessful RfA, I learned something: here you must be very careful about what you say. If you make an inappropriate joke, you will get into trouble. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wizardman&diff=226987948&oldid=226983944])

The WP:CFD/W page is permanently protected, so while normal editors could take care of moving the articles and whatnot, they wouldn't be able to update the page or add in anything, also meaning they couldn't close CFDs like they used to (adding to the backlog). Why they can't and the details behind it I don't hve a good knowledge of. Wizardman 20:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wizardman&diff=227069585&oldid=226987948 here].

I was wondering: would it be terribly rude, if I were to run for RfA, to intentionally leave the acceptence line up just to piss you off? :-) --KojiDude ^(C) 20:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh, if you want a neutral =) –xeno (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Hmm... tempting... ;-) --KojiDude ^(C) 21:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My RFA parameters state that if you can demonstrate enough clue, you can overcome the nom line mistake. There's also a herring involved, as far as I remember. xeno (talk) 00:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Xenocidic. I agree with full protection for {{tl|AIV}}, but would you consider adding 'small=yes' to the pp-template, so that we don't have to see such a large padlock? The big padlock template is more appropriate on disputed *articles*, in my opinion, where you are trying to get people's attention. EdJohnston (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:{{Done}}, you coulda done it ;>, I just changed the one that was there before, which was also bigified. =) –xeno (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your resolution. I'll let you know if he responds back on my talk page or if anything else happens. :-) c-ya around. --Eric (mailbox) 00:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Prom3th3an (talk • contribs) 08:24, July 22, 2008 (UTC)

Back from vacation. Thanks for the heads up, it seems I got a little confused on nomenclature in my little speech to Waltzingmatilda. Overall was it appropriate though? I tried to be very courteous and down to earth. 28 edits away from 500 :)Washburnmav (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, it was a reasonable response. The person has stopped discussing it, and we've greatly improved the sourcing of the article in the mean time. Welcome back =) xeno (talk) 14:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

AMIB, is A Man In Black, and my freind is right, he does get away with murder, but that's probably because he's an admin.Fairfieldfencer FFF 16:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Admins are not above the law. Were AMIB to commit the exact same actions that led to your friend being blocked, he would not "get away with it". Especially the 3RR and personal attacks. Swearing is one thing, but calling another editor a "jumpy bitch" and an "ignorant dumbass" is unacceptable, full stop, as is violating WP:3RR. xeno (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Just completed my 500th edit =]. Would you mind reviewing my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Washburnmav contribs] one more time for rollback eligibility? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, give me a minute. –xeno (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::Everything looks good to me. Rollback granted. Just ensure that you never use the native rollback if there is any question about the edit. If it could be considered good faith, use the Twinkle rollback with an edit summary. –xeno (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the rollback! I'm looking forward to some more down-and-dirty vandal fighting. Now I have one more weapon in my 'arsenal' =). I won't let you down. Washburnmav (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much, AGAIN, for making my account! Did you change my username too? If so thanks again! ~~Sealim~~ (talk)

:No problem. Nope, that was a bureaucrat. –xeno (talk) 18:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, btw I can't even use Twinkle! Any ideas? ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::What browser are you using? –xeno (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Internet Explorer, thats not the problem, says I am "Too new". ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::well, yes, internet explorer is a problem because Twinkle won't work on it, at least not last time I checked. You might also need to have an autoconfirmed account (4 days). –xeno (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Auto confirm?? Aw, darn, I hate all those other internet browsers, they lag!! -.- Oh well, I can live without it. Any substitutes? ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:36, July 22, 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Firefox lags a log less than IE. Alternative would be manual undo. –xeno (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Ok, I'm not changing though, thanks for the alternative. Happy blocking/editing/whatever! ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

←Please sign your posts with four tildes ( ~~~~ ) so the date is included automatically. cheers, –xeno (talk) 18:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ok sorry ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::No problem. –xeno (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm off now ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I just noticed that you restored Fire types: are we retargeting the redirects instead of deleting them like I saw on the admins' noticeboard? I jumped at the chance to do a mass delete as I'm currently quite bored, but I'll stop if I'm doing the wrong thing… {{Nihiltres|talk|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=Nihiltres log]}} 18:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Appears so ... =) –xeno (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::(ec) Sorry, just me being stupid; I read the now-updated thread and it now makes more sense. I'll undelete and retarget most of the links; I think some are a bit ambiguous like "Water types" could be "types of water" instead of "Water-type Pokémon". {{Nihiltres|talk|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=Nihiltres log]}} 18:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::eh, no problem. I can't say I particular care much about these redirects, but just wanna do what's best =) –xeno (talk) 18:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mwutz&diff=227279928&oldid=227066844])

Consider it done. My apologies. --Mwutz 21:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mwutz&diff=227281943&oldid=227279928 here].

::Maybe in the future I'll write a script to skip those edits, but for now I'll just skip if no typo is fixed. --Mwutz 21:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shapiros10&diff=227235362&oldid=227231709])

It's be nice if you could enable it on this account. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 17:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:{{Done}}, enabled for you. xeno (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 17:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

For the future, could you help me out with AWB? Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shapiros10&diff=227300672&oldid=227237205 here].

Hi this is Matthew Azevedo and I was wondering if you could answear my questions...

1. Why do you think the problem is resolved??? It is not....

2. I dont know why you agree with Eric that he reverted my edits???... I mean that's why I put Futurestar= Future celebrity and Matt is my name on my youtube account and that also means Future article about me in Wikipedia.

3. I know that wikipedia is not a not a chat room... so why does eric think that I am doing what he thiks that I am doing???

That's my questions... my facts about me

1. I dont hate wikipedia, I just dislike the editors

2. I will be the next Intenet Celebrity hence (FuturestarMatt)

3. Also my edits are not neutral point of view.... it's fact

Last but not least #5. It's true that I got my final warning on my wiki. account and I will not edit any more due to that warning.

I will be on a wikipedia page due to my rising fame

Sincerly, Matthew Ryan Azevedo

ps. I know I might sound stupid but it's true

—Preceding unsigned comment added by FuturestarMatt (talk • contribs) 20:41, July 22, 2008 (UTC)

:#The AN thread is resolved because I left you a message.

:#I agree your edits should have been reverted because you can't use Wikipedia to promote yourself. If you do become so notable that an article about you was worth of inclusion, then someone else should write it, not you.

:#I don't know why eric thinks you are using Wikipedia as a chat room, perhaps you can ask him.

:#I don't think you had a number 4.

:#You are free to edit Wikipedia constructively, as long as you don't use it to promote yourself or edit with a conflict of interests.

:::Let me know if you have any further questions or concerns. P.S. If you do want to add to the WP:AN thread, please feel free to do so. –xeno (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

So does that mean A person other than me could write the same exact edit and not will be reverted??? Also thanks for the previous answear. sincerly, Matthew Azevedo AKA. FuturestarMatt —Preceding unsigned comment added by FuturestarMatt (talk • contribs) 23:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:They would probably be reverted as well - since you do not yet meet the criteria for inclusion based on WP:Notability (people) or even the general criteria for inclusion. Also, please do remember to sign your posts using four tildes as follows: ~~~~. Thanks, –xeno (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

;Yet, another question

I think we know that my edits was reverted. So were clear by now with that... I am just wondering if I would ever be in a wiki. article without that articel being reverted. So here is the question would I ever be in Wikipedia??? --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

:Please read this: Wikipedia:BIO#Basic criteria. Once you meet those basic criteria, you would probably qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia. –xeno (talk) 00:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

;Ok I've read it.....

Ok I've read it and fully understand it... But could you give me some examples if you would to make me the next internet celebrity so I could be in wiki. I know I am asking alot but could you??? also just to let you know that I am not a attention-freak. --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

:If there was a newspaper article written about you, preferably more than one - that would start to establish your notability. By the way, please edit the existing section to pose further questions, rather than making a new section each time. –xeno (talk) 00:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

This is my first time editing someones page so dont this messy edit. My question is does pass newspappers count??? because I am in one. North county times --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

::Jumping in here: the notability guidelines for inclusion say you have to have non-trivial, third-party coverage. Policy also says that Wikipedia is not simply a collection of fleeting news articles. I have been mentioned in three local newspapers, but this does not make me notable for an article Fritzpoll (talk) 00:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks Fritz. Matt, I still don't think that would cut it. Do you have a link to the news article? –xeno (talk) 00:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont have the link to my news aritical in the past but I do have the actual newspapper which wont count... The only links that I have for me is my blog and youtube channel. Do you have any Ideas other than newspapper articles? --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

::Yes - do something amazing in the world, and then worry about whether or not you have a Wikipedia article (playfully intended) Fritzpoll (talk) 00:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:My suggestion would be to stop worrying about being included in Wikipedia and focus on increasing your Youtube viewership. If you become notable enough to be included in Wikipedia, someone else will put you in. –xeno (talk) 00:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks you guys/girls for supporting me to become the next internet/youtube celebrity--FuturestarMatt (talk) 01:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

:Right, best of luck. (section moved up with your other one) –xeno (talk) 01:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it just me or is WP:RADWP descending into mild chaos? Ownership issues, spats over various things....seems a shame. Any chance you could, uh, take a lead, as I quite enjoyed listening to it Fritzpoll (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Things seemed to have stabled off, the main issue right now is no one creating episodes. Not sure what any of the "anchors" are up to, I've always just been a bit of a segment man. I suppose I could try and create a full episode or two, since I'm living the bachelor's life for the next week or so, but once my wife and kid get back it's back to daddy-duty whilst at home and not much time for the wiks. –xeno (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::I think it's odd that anything on-wiki has membership rules like that, and a formal hierarchy. I was just wondering if the thing was dying off or not. Don't stress about filling in :) Fritzpoll (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Yea, I tried to reduce some of the WP:BURO concerns. –xeno (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::On that issue, I remember my eyes being opened as a newbie when exploring the WP:ESPERANZA saga from oh so long ago. Fritzpoll (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Can I welcome new users? Or not? Reply at my tlk page please. ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SealimMan&diff=227290579&oldid=227287454 here].

Hm? Why couldn't someone welcome a new user until after their first edit? I've never heard that before; actually, I think welcoming people might even make them less likely to use that account for vandalism. Well alright, that's just a little hope of mine, but still. GlassCobra 22:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hrm, it's fairly common practice. Probably because so many accounts are created and never edit, we'd be creating so many unnecessary talk pages. I think it mentions that somewhere at the welcoming committee pages. –xeno (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've never heard of any practice like that. I've certainly welcomed my fair share of users with no edits. I'll take a look around and see if I can find what you're talking about, though. GlassCobra 22:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Yea, I looked at the WC and didn't see any mention of it. I didn't make it up though, let me know if you find out where I saw that =) –xeno (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I think another reason not to "welcome" a non-contributing editor is that the standard {{tl|welcome}} template starts out with "Hi! thank you for your contributions!. If they don't have even one yet, it's a rather silly template to add...Keeper {{IPA|ǀ}} 76 22:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Hm, I suppose you have a point. Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Finding newbies says that an acceptable practice is going to the account creation log and welcoming people, which would probably include many accounts with no edits. I'm certainly not intending to harp you here, Xeno, I'm mostly just trying to clarify for all of our sakes. GlassCobra 22:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Not at all. Though I do remember reading it. It may have just been in talk page discussion, though. –xeno (talk) 22:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Got a content blanking-fest going on at Aaron Tuten, but I've hit my limit. I'm pretty certain the IP is the other editor, but a hunch isn't enough to block under 3RR - can you take a look and revert if you feel its necessary? Fritzpoll (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:This kind of revert would fall under the 3RR exceptions: Wikipedia:3RR#Unwanted edits. Repeated removal of content without an edit summary is vandalism, plain and simple. –xeno (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::True - Why do I keep having issues getting 3RR? That's twice in a week. (sigh) Fritzpoll (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:I helped out a bit. :) GlassCobra 22:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye on my user page :-). StaticGull  Talk  11:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:APB_%28video_game%29&diff=prev&oldid=227324262 this rather odd edit] too. StaticGull  Talk  11:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem on both counts =) –xeno (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks Xeno. may I ask you what exactly you are doing for wikipedia? i mean do you just randomly roam the wiki pages looking for things to correct, or do you have a spacial purpose in mind? do they compensate you or is the knowledge and making a difference enough to satisfy you?

you should try to find that movie too...

:) Hotmarcie (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::What exactly do I do here?! Good question! ;> I used to spend a lot of time working on video game articles, but these days like you said, I just kinda "roam" and help out wherever I'm needed. Admins do a lot of stuff like preventing vandalism by blocking problem users, deleting nonsense pages, creating accounts for people that have trouble, resolving disputes, etc. Nope - no compensation other than, like you said, the satisfaction of helping to further the advancement of knowledge. It's enough for me. =) I'll try to find that movie... –xeno (talk) 13:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asdef&diff=227321040&oldid=227318722])

thanks for responding, I was confused about a note on my talk section about promotion of the library, but I think what I need is to read the help pages before proceeding with more contributions or editing. I see someone cleaned up my sources, thanks, whoever it was. ASdeF (talk) 13:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)ASdeF

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asdef&diff=227424759&oldid=227330168 here].

Can you (hello, stalkers) point me at policies regarding CSD - specifically, once it's declined it can't be requested again? I thought that was the case but can't find that policy. Also, what if it is declined but then a new criterion is chosen for a subsequent CSD request? I felt like that was against policy but I can't find anything to back that up either. Thanks!  Frank  {{!}}  talk  15:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:Just off the cuff, I think a new criterion can be selected, but not the same one. –xeno (talk) 15:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::What about not renominating once it's been declined? I don't recall where I've seen that, either.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  16:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:::The same one shouldn't be put on once it's declined, can't seem to find where that's mentioned. Seems to be a common occurrence here =) –xeno (talk) 16:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SealimMan&diff=227450489&oldid=227447865])

I meant an archive bot not an article bot. -.-

Sealim Man —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SealimMan&diff=227464175&oldid=227462039 here].

::Thanks! Sealim Man 18:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Blackwatch21&diff=227466140&oldid=227442563])

Sorry, I asked you then I was looking through the bot pages and found out how. Thanks though. BW21.--BlackWatch21 18:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Blackwatch21&diff=227466907&oldid=227466140 here]

I sort of feel like I misused rollback when you blocked him for 3RR, did I? I reported him for vandalism, with the controversial edits he was making, and the vandalizing of my talk page, along with the uncivil edit summaries I thought he could be considered a vandal. I'm still a pretty new editor, so I apologize if I misused rollback. If so, I'll try and be more careful in the future. Have a good day, Landon1980 (talk) 23:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:eh, don't sweat it. the material was contentious and in violation of the BLP policy. –xeno (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::OK, thanks :) Landon1980 (talk) 23:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APMDrive1061&diff=227532263&oldid=227115804])

Guess the rules have changed re. the blocked user template. I don't mind not adding it. Saves me some work. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APMDrive1061&diff=227533585&oldid=227532263 here].

::Ah, gotcha. That does make things easier. Thanks for the tip. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You deleted the article Monster Blood for Beakfeast!.Please send me a copy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.215.11.160 (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.215.11.160&oldid=227646814 here]. –xeno (talk)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADH_Michaels&diff=227672100&oldid=227671105])

Thank you so will it work if I cite it? DH Michaels (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227673032&oldid=227672100 here].

::I'm sorry I wasn't clear a minute ago hey did I do it right? DarrenMcFadden#Media DH Michaels (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227677476&oldid=227673032 here].

Thank you so much I don't mean to keep bothering you but is there a template like that to cite something from the internet? DH Michaels (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227698261&oldid=227677476 here].

Thanks, Hey I was reading Wikipedia:Twinkle, and Wikipedia: Rollback feature.What are the requirments to get those? DH Michaels (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADH_Michaels&diff=227701089&oldid=227698261 here].

::O.K I figured on the rollback rights. So were do I go to download Twinkle (If I can) and will it work with DSL? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DH Michaels (talk • contribs) 21:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227821836&oldid=227701089 here].

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vespa64&diff=227683441&oldid=227683356])

Hi dear Xenocidic

I wanted to change my username (To let my friends knoe me, see my signature bellow!) before but i didn't know how to do this, so I moved my page User:Vespa64 to User:Amirreza and then usertalk page moved too. now i know how to change my username but there is this page(which i myself created) and my username can't be renamed. please delete the userpage too that i can rename myself.

please delete it please. thank you.
--Amirreza (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vespa64&diff=227684997&oldid=227684786 here].

::Thank U very very much for helping! Amirreza (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My replies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AVespa64&diff=227686429&oldid=227684997 here].

• OK then, thank U 4 your valuable help. If U wouldn't help me, I didn't know what should I do. Thanks again Amirreza (talk) 19:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
• :My replies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AVespa64&diff=227688931&oldid=227686429 here].
• ::You're welcome! =) Amirreza (talk) 19:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Am I doing a good job at marking nonsense/bio/advertisement and so on pages any good? Sealim Man 22:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SealimMan&diff=227822319&oldid=227715471 here].

So, an IP comes along and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bombyx_mori&diff=prev&oldid=214757357 vandalizes] Bombyx mori (Silkworm), and another user [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bombyx_mori&diff=prev&oldid=216636483 adds {{fact}}] to the edit in lieu of reverting it. Moral of the story: Read what you tag. —Animum (talk) 23:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:That's gotta go in the funnies =) –xeno (talk) 23:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

::That's funny, although I don't fault the second user. If it were me, I wouldn't have touched it at all. It is possible, although unlikely, that a kind of larvae could taste somewhat like chicken. Due to the overuse of that phrase, however, it was highly likely that it was vandalism. I suppose he chose to err on the side of caution. Enigma ^message 00:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::The IP could think that it tastes like chicken, and I might not agree; in fact, I might think that it tastes like pasta. I, personally, might even think that the anonymous user is making a violation of Wikipedia:No original research. Also, you nailed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bombyx_mori&diff=222313516&oldid=220332493 my thoughts] on the head. :-P —Animum (talk) 00:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Hi, its me GENIUS. Gwen decided to put me back in, so im very glad. Btw, right now i am currently contesting the block of a user who is being blocked because Gwen Gale believes that the user is one of my sockies. Please contact a local checkuser and put a stop to that nonsense, i hate seeing other users get blocked on my behalf. Ill have the name for you in a minute. Cheers! Love isNoobish 03:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::The user is Kizzakiz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Love is Noobish (talk • contribs) 03:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:Tsk, tsk, admitting to being a sock on AN/X... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Iamthe7DeadlySins&curid=18154612&diff=227822949&oldid=227750065 here].

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Flying_Ninja_Monkey&diff=227771408&oldid=227770618])

I seem to recall a large amount of controversy regarding IPs and whether or not they can vandalize or blank their own talk pages with the concensous being that it's a bad idea, but I haven't been here in a while so things may have changed pretty dramatically. I'm from way back when, y'know... I still think that it should be reverted, but I suppose that if it's different nowadays I can let the little anons be. --(Flying Ninja Monkey) ^(Banana!) 04:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Flying_Ninja_Monkey&diff=227818676&oldid=227771408 here].

I reverted your revert on Adoni Maropis.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adoni_Maropis&diff=227511518&oldid=227028932] As it was a rollback, there was very little to go on; was this a stray rollback, or is there something else there that I don't know about? EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yea, MFB II made all kinds of bad edits, MFC has been pretty much unresponsive to the issue, so I reverted all it's edits per a discussion at WP:BON. Reason being, it would take a human much longer to sort the good from the bad than for the bot to re-do the good. –xeno (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::I just remembered you're the one with every interwiki known to man ( ;> ) . If you feel like going through and sorting the good from the bad, be my guest. Not sure if MFC is coming back anytime soon. –xeno (talk) 23:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Haha, yeah, I have just a little bit of interwiki experience. ;)
I figured out what was up right after posting this; yeah, some of those interwikis were bad. I might go through your contribs and rollback anything that turns out to be a false-positive, but I really need to give some of my attention tonight to a Wikia project I'm a 'crat on. Too many projects, too little time. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Yep - feel free. again, there were definitely some good edits, but like i said, if MFC wasn't going to sort through 'em all, I certainly wasn't. Mass revert seemed the most sensible thing, and it was a little time sensitive since the rollback button goes away when someone else makes an edit. And yea, feel free just to use native rollback on any of the ones that turn out to be OK. –xeno (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::{{done}} Went through all your edits, reverted about 215 of them. What fun. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Lol, you know I had considered asking you to go through them before I reverted them, but I just know how much *I* hate when someone drops by my talk page and says "hey there's a really difficult job that needs doing...can you do it?" ;> Good work, all the same. =) –xeno (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Wasn't actually that bad, truth be told... tabbed browsing makes stuff like this much, much easier (though so does being pseudo-multilingual). As it is, I was pleasantly surprised to see the edits suddenly stop while I was still in the As. I was expecting it to go on for a lot longer. :)
Besides, I think this will help kill those nasty rumors floating around about how sane I am. Gotta nip those in the bud... EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Well at least no one can say now that you're a crat that you're just resting on your laurels and CHU'ing and promoting and F the encyclopedia ;> –xeno (talk) 00:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I just did one of my usual site-wide interwiki check-ups and realized what you were talking about with the "I didn't want my SUL cluttered up" thing was (first time I've done an interwiki search on Wikipedia since unifying my account; I'm now at [http://toolserver.org/~purodha/sample/dbswithuser.php?usr=EVula&go=Go%21&uselang=en 461]). Was surprised to see so many new accounts in my SUL report...
Uh, anyway, the reason I came back was to say you're more than welcome to drop me a note with interwiki requests like this. Anything else and I might put it off, but I really do enjoy zipping around all the other languages. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I dare not click that link =) Right, I'll put you in the rolodex under "nuts and other crazy people" ;> –xeno (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abul_Kashem&diff=227511812&oldid=226897684 This revert] wasn't correct. MFB did link to the correct bn wiki page, but your revert linked back to the redirect page rather than the actual page. So, I've reverted your revert. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 23:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem. –xeno (talk) 23:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw that you blocked User:Thryes. Maybe you should block him again because he is back to vandalism. He just vandalized SummerSlam. His edit is located [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SummerSlam&diff=prev&oldid=227701413 here].--WillC 21:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:Looks like someone else got to him. Thanks for the report. –xeno (talk) 12:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, it was a little bit after I placed this message up.--WillC 19:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Xeno, sorry to bother you, but do you ever adopt anyone? If you do, have the time, and are willing could you adopt me? Have a good day. Landon1980 (talk) 15:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, but my adoption technique is fairly informal, basically my door is always open for questions but at the present time I don't have any exercises or anything like that =) –xeno (talk) 15:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, that sounds good. Basically I just want to gain experience in various areas. Right now, pretty much all I've done is patrol the recent changes, and report a few vandals to AIV. Do you have some tips on other things I could do, or any other areas I could help out? Landon1980 (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I could tweak/post some of my old admin coaching exercises to a subpage, if you want. Or, Xeno could do the same thing, whatever. Let me know if I can help. Tan {{IPA|ǀ}} 39 15:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, there's always New page patrol, and fixing links to disambiguation pages is a never ending battle. What about joining a Wikiproject related to a subject your interested in and working on some articles and such? –xeno (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::::@tan, yeah, i've been meaning on importing some of hersfold's adoption lessons and such, but... alas =) –xeno (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::I've seen several new articles while patrolling the recent changes which I thought should be deleted for various reasons, but I didn't know how to tag them properly. TAN, I'll take any help/advice I can get, any exercise you think would benefit me I'd be more than happy to try it. I've been wanting to try my hand at writing an article, but every time I think of something when I search for it someone has beat me to it. Thanks to both of you for your time. I know how busy administrators are, and I truly do appreciate it. Landon1980 (talk) 16:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Well you don't always need to be the creator of the article, plenty need improving =) As far as the CSD tagging, if you use Twinkle, it definitely provides easier tagging capabilities, but if not, review WP:CSD and there are some templates along the right hand side of the page. –xeno (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Shapiros10/AWB Help. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 16:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ok, whenever you update that page just sign the very first section of this talk page (notification section) the same way my adoptees do. –xeno (talk) 16:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Greetings, Xenocidic. I'm not entirely certain, but it seems like you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGibsonian&diff=227867423&oldid=219098436 protected] {{tl|Gibsonian}} from editing by unconfirmed users. Is this meant to expire once the William Gibson article is off the main page? If not it's quite concerning. Regards, Skomorokh 19:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:There's an increasing trend to indefinitely semi-protect widely used templates, but if you think that IPs and brand new users can provide valuable improvements to that template, then I'll lift the protection after it's off the main page. –xeno (talk) 19:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::I'd appreciate it. That's a very worrisome trend for an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Skomorokh 20:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Hrm, somehow I doubt that many anons and brand new users make worthwhile contributions to fairly stable templates like that. –xeno (talk) 20:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

O.K I just got Twinkle set up and boy it's cool! Thank you so much for your help and I promise not to abuse the tools and I will probably not use them for a-while because I'm still learning is that a good idea? DH Michaels (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227886344&oldid=227821836 here].

::You wrote: If it's straight and obvious vandalism, you can use the vandalism button, if it's good faith but unhelpful, use the rollback "agf" button, with an edit summary, and for anything in between just use "rollback" with an edit summary. Were are all of those icons I don't see any of them, where do they appear? DH Michaels (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADH_Michaels&diff=227888152&oldid=227886344 here]

::::One more question I found a user that created a page and it does not adhere to neutral point of view even though it was in April, 2008 he has not edited the page since should I leave a note on his talk page or not? DH Michaels (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227891886&oldid=227888152 here].

::::::Do you think I did the right thing here? DH Michaels (talk) 20:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DH_Michaels&diff=227896019&oldid=227891886 here].

Civility Award

:I'm not sure who you are, anonymous user, but I must say, bloody well said at Talk:John Dundee. I'm awarding you this civility barnstar (the first barnstar I've ever handed out to an IP) because you explained the issue quite perfectly with the utmost attention to the family's feelings. Not sure if she'll be back to read it, but good show nonetheless. –xeno (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, after years of toiling away as an anon, that is the first such recog I've received, AFAIK -- so, thank you indeed! I am constantly aware of how painful it can be to work here, a reason for sticking with anon mode... (Just having a small innocuous edit knee-jerk reverted without explanation can be hard to take.) It is just such an obvious classic disaster, for a family member to get involved with a personal WP article, with that one article being their only experience with WP. I did not fully research the history of what happened, but it seemed like the people interacting with her did not realize just what kind of a process mess they were participating in. It seems like there should be some standard thing like what I wrote, to present to "outsiders" who get caught in the WP process meat grinder unawares? As Paul Newman was told, what we are dealing with here is a "failure to communicate"...

-69.87.199.246 (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a lot of time currently, so I was wondering if you could sort out James Barry for me. I came across it, and some of the articles seem to have titles not consistent with the MOS, and the Irish MP articles all have issues (similar issues, considering they were created by the same user. Enigma ^message 17:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:In the words of a great man, "Can't someone else do it?" ;> –xeno (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've had a look at it and it seems info is very poor. I'll keep doing research and hopefully resolve it in the next day or two. That way Xeno can concentrate on what he does best :) Lympathy ^Talk 17:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::heh, cheers. i'll probably take a look at this when I get more time, but during the day I'm usually all about the in-and-out quick jobs. –xeno (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::As odd as it sounds, from all the research I've done, the edits are 100% correct and all dates reflect the references given and agree with what I could find. They all appear to be different people. Lympathy ^Talk 17:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Even so, the articles need work to even be stub-quality, and they should be moved, IMO. My problem is I'm not certain what they should be renamed to. Enigma ^message 18:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) is far too complicated for me to fully comprehend whilst I'm working =) –xeno (talk) 18:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::The problem here is that I believe Barry (1659) and Barry (1689) to be related but I can't find any evidence of this, also Barry (1739 may also be related). Lympathy ^Talk 18:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::: *loudly clears throat* :P Enigma ^message 16:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Ok, in looking at the MOS, I see that it says "Years of birth and death should not be used in a page title to distinguish between people of the same name", but then how are we supposed to distinguish between the many Irish MPs with the same name? (Perhaps the districts they represented) It's something you might raise at the MOS talk page. Other than that, I'm not sure what more I can do to help. =) –xeno (talk) 16:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Fair enough. I'll do that. Enigma ^message 17:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::If you're curious, here's the discussion. Enigma ^message 01:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Xeno, the anonymous IP obsessed with the bogus Ιάσπερος-Jasper is at it again [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jasper_%28name%29&diff=prev&oldid=228047750] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jasper_%28name%29&diff=next&oldid=228047750] and this time he is even removing sources. Please have a look because this is becoming trully tiring. Thank you--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:He'll need a few warnings... Start with level 3 or so... –xeno (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, but I had to bring it to your attention at any rate--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:k, let me know if he breaks 3RR again, taking care not to go over it yourself =) –xeno (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for your prompt reply and the advice. I seldom exceed 2Rs myself, but after seeing what happened to Dr K... well, one can never be cautious enough--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Somehow, {{tl|icu-triage}} was deleted and then restored as a redirect to one of User:Inclusionist's own projects. Please see if you can resurrect the original version. In addition, Inclusionist sorely needs to be blocked, as he consulted no one at all before taking on this effort to merge WP:WICU and WP:ARS into his project - more like a hijacking. I'm spending quite a bit of time undoing his damage. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm sorry for the inconvenience he caused, but blocks are preventative, not punitive. If he were to attempt to do it again when consensus is clearly against it, a block would be appropriate. I've moved the template back to its original location. –xeno (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

for notifying Inclusionist of the ANI thread. I was in process when I saw your post that you had done it. Banjeboi 20:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem. –xeno (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, yes, thanks :D. It's hard, you know? I want to thank everybody, but it's just not practical to type the names of 70 users into a thanking template. Thus, everyone gets the BASEPAGENAME :). Here, you get one too:

Oh, glad you noticed. Well alright, I suppose I can give you a real signature then. Thanks again for the confidence. :)Okiefromokla ^questions? 21:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh, you could templatefy it and use a {{{1}}} ({{subst:User:Okie/thanks|Xenocidic}}). would you believe that I hand typed thank-you's to all my participants? =) –xeno (talk) 21:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

::...Well, I actually just discovered the wonders of {{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}. Who would have thought? Okiefromokla ^questions? 21:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:::heh, that works too. i wanted to make it harder for you, though. i remember how tired my hands were i was after all my thankspam went out =) misery loves company, y'know? =] –xeno (talk) 21:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Just to let you know: As it turns out, your way would have been much better. I ended up fixing the non-substituted BASEPAGENAME templates and even had a spelling error in the thankspam I sent to the opposes and neutrals (I thought I put it through MS Word!). I'm just glad that is over; now I can do the stuff I really signed up for. Okiefromokla ^questions? 22:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::lol. now you should go block someone. try this guy, he's been extra disruptive lately. –xeno (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

That guideline (heading portion) specifies only talk pages in general unless I missed it. On any talk page headings should be neutral. I'm not going to war with you, but I think your editing behavior should change. Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:It is neutral. I was truly wondering, "why are we here?" i.e. "why have you called mass community attention to (what was at the time, and is pretty much still,) a completely unacceptable proposal?" –xeno (talk) 22:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:Lol, I think you're the first one to have the balls to thankspam using AWB. cheers mate =) Take into mind those things I pointed out to you about second chances... we never know when someone like that "hypothetical" vandal might turn the corner and become a good contributor. (trust me! it can happen). –xeno (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Is there any problem with using AWB for this? I mean, isn't manually doing this an enormous waste of good editor time??? I'll keep into mind what you and others thaught me on my RfA. Looking forward to working with you! cheers, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:::heh, no, not really. it's just that there's those that think thank-spam is often far too impersonal, which is why I manually typed my thank-you's. you're just at the other end of the spectrum I guess, so it gave me a chuckle. –xeno (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure that it is a good idea to put a LARGE trout in the hands of an angry editor. But, I liked the image and the message so I'm "lifting" it...Tks.--Buster7 (talk) 15:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh, be my guest. 'tisn't mine. there's a userbox for users too: {{tlu|User:SheffieldSteel/Trout}}. –xeno (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beamathan&diff=228200204&oldid=228130222])

I have. The reason for my focus on ANi is my disapproval with some Admin's actions. I'm also confident in my policy knowledge having had a baptism by fire at my first "deep" article involvement at Kosovo. One thing I've noticed is WP:CIVIL is such an abused policy, and I feel my opinion is as valid as any at the AN/i. If you have specific problems with any of my comments please come and discuss them with me. I'm not as much of an asshole as it seems, I assure you. Oh, and if I didn't know any better I'd think your entry at my talk page was kind of a jab at me. But I'm sure you'll say you were only concerned for me or the project, right? Beam 15:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beamathan&diff=228201750&oldid=228200204 here].

::As I suspected, it's concern for me. I assure you, there is no need for concern. Looking at the 10 threads above yours in my talk page, maybe 3-4 have to do with ANi, and only one could be considered negative. One of them has to do with my suggest at a removal of a thread, which Wizardman eventually agreed with and did. One is a notice that a comment of mine there was so freaking good and hilarious it made a user's personal quote section (1 of 3 total quotes!!), and the other is one alluding to a conversation where myself and others were in agreement over NCVM's premature archivals. Maybe you should review those again? Beam 15:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My replies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beamathan&diff=228203386&oldid=228201750 here] & [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beamathan&diff=228223869&oldid=228203386 here].

::::No,I don't. I just commented again. He was questioning the bounds of WP:Civil, and I am giving him an opinion that I hope he takes to heart. Restricting himself when he can, weary of any breaking of civility policy. Again, if you really are worried about me, and not insinuating that I shouldn't give my opinion, thanks and I appreciate it. But I'm ok. Beam 21:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ncmvocalist&diff=228239525&oldid=228233848])

Sure. Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:J.delanoy&diff=228194466&oldid=228194114])

Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy^gabs_adds 19:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Gratz on making WP:100, I missed it by a long shot =) –xeno (talk) 19:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

The reason why I was so thankful that you alerted me to the ANI, is because studies on wikipedia showed that those who write first set the tone. So in a dispute on Wikipedia, it is vital post first or as close to first as possible.

Without your help User:Xenocidic, it could have been days before I was alerted to this ANI, and some of the wild accusations would have been seen as truth. I have been banned before simply because I was unable to respond quickly enough. Thank you for your kindness. Inclusionist (talk) 22:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Oh..hey, thanks =) Just doin' my job. Glad that it's appreciated! –xeno (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. =) I finished off blocking and protecting that IPs talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem =) –xeno (talk) 00:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

;Thanks...

for blocking that vandal account. Exxolon (talk) 01:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Anytime. P.S., you may get faster service at WP:AIV - if it's clearly an unconstructive user. cheers =) –xeno (talk) 01:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I didn't realize you had already blocked until after I saved... that guy's been a pain for a while now, the page got semi-pp'd for a while because of him, and as soon as the pp dropped off he came right back... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem. I'll put that page on my watchlist. –xeno (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Adopt-a-User&diff=228315896&oldid=228315738])

yes please adoptme, i need help with my articles, i need to get them in the right format, check them out and tell me what can u do Timothy Hodge, Betty Jean Hode, The Ross Singers,

--Daisy404 (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)daisy404--Daisy404 (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discovery_Zone&diff=next&oldid=227968667 This revert] seems to have been made as part of a wholesale rollback of a user who was just [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Simon%27s_Double_Trouble_Lifetime blocked as a sock]. I make no judgment as to the sock block (I'm not qualified), but the edit itself actually seemed almost correct: {{cquote | CEC Entertainment acquired the rights to the Discovery Zone name and logo, 13 fun centers and their contents, the leases of another seven stores and two parcels of undeveloped land for $19 million. CEC plans to convert as many as eight of the centers into Chuck E. Cheese's and continue to operate the remainder as Discovery Zones. CEC, which runs 333 Chuck E. Cheese's locations, is the fifth-largest pizza chain in the United States. - Stockwell, Jamie. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Jun 26, 1999. pg. E.01}} The editor is on wikibreak and redirecting his/her talk page to user page. What to do?  Frank  {{!}}  talk  04:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:There is one particular sock who loves to make seemingly innocuous changes to make Disney-related articles inaccurate. This is probably one of those cases. As far as PMDrive redirecting his talk to his userpage, just over-write the redirect and leave him a message if you have to - I don't really think he should be doing that when he's actively editing, but didn't feel it necessary to bring it up. –xeno (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::Well, what I'm getting at is the "sock" made an edit that was more accurate than its previous revision, but it was reverted, apparently without checking. It is not clear to me that it's helping the encyclopedia which, as you may know by now, is what I am most focused on. Do we revert all edits from a banned user regardless of whether or not they are correct?  Frank  {{!}}  talk  11:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Normally, yes, but how do we know that the figure of 15 is more accurate than the figure of 500? I didn't see it mentioned in the source. –xeno (talk) 12:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::::I'm glad you asked, because I included the answer above. A reliable source says that CEC runs (at the time) 333 stores and acquired 13. The edit in question originally said CEC acquired 500 stores, but the revised edition said 15, which is pretty darn close to the actual 13 mentioned in the article. You could add the 13 and two parcels of undeveloped land to get 15. To think it is reasonable they acquired 500 stores for 19 mil, and when they only ran 333 themselves, stretches credulity.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  12:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Right, sorry was just doing a quick morning check as I ran out the door and thought that was just a quote from the article. [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E6DD1239F932A05750C0A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2 This source] seems to confirm the same as well. But yes, typically edits by banned users that are socks are rolled back en masse. –xeno (talk) 12:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Check out this seemingly worthwhile article he created now tagged for deletion as a creation of a banned user: Mamma Mia! The Movie Soundtrack Featuring the Songs of ABBA. –xeno (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APMDrive1061&diff=228384018&oldid=227735613])

You know, somehow I knew something was backwards...anyway, I'd popped by to see about those MascotGuy socks and although the one in blocked, a few others are not. They are: User:Super Squirt Belly, User:Famous Squirt Belly, User:Outback Guy, User:Dancing Queen Guy (looks like we have us an ABBA fan) and User:Kookbelly, all created by User:Simon's Double Trouble Lifetime at the same time. The "Simon" account created what appears to be a genuinely legit (if obscure) article on the soundtrack for that new "Mamma Mia!" movie: Mamma Mia! The Movie Soundtrack Featuring the Songs of ABBA. I hate to see a legit article deleted even though I tagged it as a speedy, but house rules state that a hard banned user cannot edit at all, even if it's a legit edit. He'd done something almost two years ago (now deleted) on an obscure and totally NN freeway bridge in San Diego. Even after editing by several of his socks, it was little more than a two-sentence nanostub. So...what to do about this article? Thanks again for the tip. Best, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PMDrive1061&diff=228394446&oldid=228394117 here].

• Thanks again, but those should be variations on "belly" instead of "bally." :) I can redirect them and save you the hassle. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• :The article has edits by other editors after creation... I'm not really sure on that one, I'm leaning towards decline speedy, but not sure how forceful the policy/guideline about no-edits-from-banned-users is, so I just left it alone. All those socks are now blocked (got them from the account creation log, don't worry about fixing the links). cheers, –xeno (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• ::Sounds OK to me. We'll let him have this one since it's grown quite a bit. MascotGuy is one heck of an odd character. I think he means well given what I learned about him from his mom a few years ago via the username of one of his socks which happened to be her e-mail address, his spelling skills are top notch, he's learned to format articles, he actually created a good one here...but he has yet to leave so much as a keystroke on a talk page. What do you think about his creation at Goober (brand)? It's a legit subject, his references are good, yet technically, it can't stay. Likewise some of his very plausible redirects. So...do we let them all stay for the overall benefit of the project or do we send a message (which he'll never acknowledge) by deleting them? I'm torn here. I don't mind if they stay, but that's sending a wrong message. On the other hand, few vandals actually create useable content. This is just weird. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• ::Never mind; looks as if Goober's been goobered. :) I may recreate this myself. The stuff is, I believe, the first time that peanut butter and jelly were packaged in the same jar. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• :::Yea, it's confusing. So he creates good content, but he also inserts nonsense figures? If you look at the thread above (I've combined these two), you'll see that another of his edits was actually correcting a glaring inaccuracy in an article. I wonder if we can't somehow get him to stop doing the bad stuff and keep doing the good stuff... Get him a mentor, or something. –xeno (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Could I ask your advice on where best to get some administrative assistance with disruptions to the Taekwondo article? I'd earlier posted a message to the incidents page (here), but wanted to verify that I'd posted to the right place, or see if there might be some other more appropriate place to request assistance. Thank you for your help! ~ Huwmanbeing ☀★ 14:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, that's the right place... I'll see if I can take a look. –xeno (talk) 14:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Since you blocked him earlier this week, I thought I would let you know... he hasn't changed his attitude at all. He continues to attack AMIB here:Talk:List_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28games%29#Dispute_resolution, as well as bad faith assuming/incivility here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#List_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_.28games.29. If you have time, could you look into it? RobJ1981 (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:Just my two cents - there's some borderline stuff but nothing I see that warrants a(nother) block. Of course, I defer to any opinion of someone more familiar with the situation. Tan {{IPA|ǀ}} 39 16:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:(ec) The main reason I blocked him was for 3RR and gross incivility. I took a look and those threads and didn't really see anything too over the top - looks like a fairly heated discussion regarding a content dispute that I know almost nothing about so I wouldn't really be the best person to make a judgment call on it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, though. –xeno (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::Could you take another look? This link: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28games%29&diff=228039084&oldid=227989855], is more proof Skeletal wont act civil. I've told Skeletal to settle down a few times, but he chooses to either ignore it, or turns it back to me and says "tell AMIB the same thing, because he's doing it too". All AMIB has done (from the discussions I've seen), is swear once in a while due to Skeletal's poor attitude. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:::2 more links that show his poor attitude: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASuper_Badnik&diff=228043498&oldid=228040331] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASuper_Badnik&diff=228040331&oldid=228039592]. Skeletal is going over the edge in my view. Should I bring this up at the admin's noticeboard? He is making bad faith accustations now, and threatening to hack people. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

::::k, i dropped him a note. –xeno (talk) 20:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Thanks for doing that, but he hasn't stopped. He is still claiming AMIB and I are the same person. See: User_talk:SLJCOAAATR_1#Comment for more information. His user page here: User:SLJCOAAATR_1#Wiki_Friends.2FAllies_in_Editing, right by my name on his user page: "So totally AMIB's alt!". I don't need this garbage. Also see: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28games%29&diff=228106837&oldid=228077054] for more proof Skeletal just seemingly ignored what you said. Should I bring this up to an admin notice board yet? I'm getting very sick of his attitude. RobJ1981 (talk) 01:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:As an update, I've created this: Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:SLJCOAAATR_1, as notes on his talk page don't seem to do much to help. RobJ1981 (talk) 02:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::And, for whatever reason, did not tell me about it. Uncivil as you would say. -.- Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 00:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::His behavior is getting worse. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASonic_games&diff=228446818&oldid=228378587] for an abusive edit summary he did. RobJ1981 (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

So i got huggle to work at one of the places I edit from but not the other... but thats beside the point. I was wondering how I get myself to show up as a trusted user (blue), as opposed to my current status as reverted user (yellow)? Do you know? Washburnmav (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Should eventually happen automatically I think. I'm not too familiar with huggle but I found this at WT:HUGGLE: Anyone that huggle sees with other (currently) 500 edits will be added to the whitelist. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 06:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC) –xeno (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Unrelated question: I am giving user Amberknight85 advice regarding Jay McGovern. He had trouble with formatting and how to edit but I am helping him through that. However, the material he is adding is very much like a political ad. This is obviously not appropriate for wikipedia. How do I proceed? Washburnmav (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Pointing them to NPOV was a good move, do you think there might also be some WP:COI concerns? –xeno (talk) 15:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I believe there is. For example, an excerpt from the Early life section:

::: "He will bring to the halls of government a strong work ethic, practical experience and recognized excellence in professional judgment"

::Obviously political campaigning. Should I dive in and try to fix it? He is probably an employee of the politician. Washburnmav (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Could also just be a well-meaning supporter, but yes, you might want to consider that. –xeno (talk) 16:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[http://wii.ign.com/articles/894/894202p1.html Confirmed]. Remove the protection. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SkyWalker&diff=228431673&oldid=228203082 here].

(Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MZMcBride&diff=228427201&oldid=228424662])

No idea. "deprecating protected titles" = it was someone else's original protection by implementing the newer create=sysop system. Perhaps Sandstein (talk · contribs) knows the backstory? Anyway, as the article's been to AfD, it probably needs to go to DRV. But I honestly have no idea what Red Steel is. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMZMcBride&diff=228429448&oldid=228427201 here].

Thanks bud. --SkyWalker (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Check out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Washburnmav&diff=228447371&oldid=228438723 latest vandalization] of my talk page. Its pretty absurd, even for my standards. Glad to see I'm annoying the worst of them. Washburnmav (talk) 19:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Bloody hilarious. I wonder if he wrote that himself or just copied and pasted it from somewhere. –xeno (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::Dear god. I hope he copied it. That was extensively developed (and admittedly well written). Washburnmav (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I remember reading a similar story about someone who simply collected the "specimens", but that one went way further. –xeno (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::*Eeek! I think I'm gonna throw up! --Dave1185 (talk) 19:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Gives new meaning to "pinch a loaf", now, doesn't it...  Frank  {{!}}  talk  23:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::indeed. in this case, telling the vandal to "eat shit" wouldn't be taken as a personal attack! –xeno (talk) 23:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You need to urgently look at this. It was moved without a proper discussion. The one who started the discussion is now a blocked sock puppet. The old page is now a disambiguation. The move doesn't follow the naming conventions. It needs to be addressed now because they are moving other pages to redirect to the new one. This is very controversial, as seen on the talk page and it has messed up many templates. Thanks for your intervention. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:My reply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ktr101&diff=228463386&oldid=228072907 here].

::Thanks a lot! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::My replies [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKtr101&diff=228467920&oldid=228463386 here].

My reading of WP:NPA is that you are not allowed to attack a person's individuality, i.e. what makes them a person. You can target their actions. However, this only applies when there is a specific target. If you say: "idiots upset me so much", that may be inappropriate, but without a subject, there is no way to claim it is a personal attack. Sure, she may be misleading or incorrect for the second part of her statement, but I objected to "This bald-faced lie in regards to the personal attack diffs". Accusations of lying, even if correct, are still a violation of civility. Why? Because they escalate conflicts. We can prevent someone from harming the encyclopedia without accusing them of such things. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Along those same lines, he did not call her a liar, but simply pointed out a very clear an obvious lie. If someone doesn't want to be accused of telling a lie, the best thing to do would be to not lie in the first place. Jmho. –xeno (talk) 22:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::It still seems to violate the spirit. Terms such as "misleading" are far more appropriate, as they do not place the same moral emphasis on the actions. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I suppose he could've sugarcoated it, but she was clearly being facetious. –xeno (talk) 23:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Then ignore it. (or, well, he should ignore it). Unless he is saying that she has a habit of fabricating claims, then there is no point. She was defending her actions to another editor in an area that didn't really matter. It already went to AN/I, so enough people saw a problem. Salt in wounds is not the best way, especially when she has been here for more than a year. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Fair enough. I've collapsed the discussion, as it was distracting to the issue at hand. –xeno (talk) 23:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I totally wasn't expecting that. Thanks! Artichoker[talk] 01:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah I think I stole that from Useight, and its handy for the people who don't (or forget) to watchlist talk pages that they have edited. I usually put the my reply here thing immediately after I post, so I like to sign it. Artichoker[talk] 01:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::It's a good technique, I like it. Seems to be the best way to both keep a conversation together and post on the other editor's talk page so they'll get the new message bar. Useight (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes, but on the same token, I've started adopting the "I'm just gunna reply here" mentality unless the person is a new user and thus unlikely to keep and monitor a watchlist (sometimes pinging non-new-users if it's really important and they haven't replied after a period of time). –xeno (talk) 02:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank-you for your support of me at my recent RFA, which was successful. I have appreciated everyone's comments and encouragement there. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Gazimoff&diff=228570850&oldid=228570798] as someone replied. —Giggy 09:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:cheers mate. =) –xeno (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note because I've seen you move comments to preserve autonumbering in RfAs twice now (e.g. in Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/L'Aquatique#Neutral). The system is that the first comment with a leading "#" will be counted, whether or not it is indented as "#:". Usually, if the first !vote is withdrawn, it therefore isn't indented as "#:", and there is also no need to move another (not-withdrawn) !vote to the top to preserve numbering. Simply removing the leading "#" from all comments above the first 'active' !vote does the trick. user:Everyme 11:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Right, I seem to recall some issue with that (tango bot getting confused), but I'll see how the next one goes. –xeno (talk) 11:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFrank&diff=228590329&oldid=228541588 this]: Someone thinks I am a serial page-blanking-edit-reverter that deserves a spanking, further evidenced here. I think I pretty much do things the way you said, but there is some impression that I am doing otherwise. Can you find [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=Frank&namespace=3&year=&month= any evidence] that I'm doing something untoward here?  Frank  {{!}}  talk  13:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm a big fan of the 'ole "diffs or it didn't happen" defense ;p By the way, I personally am of the mind that the block template should remain whilst the block is active, but consensus seems to have formed that IPs can do what they want to their talk pages as long as they don't remove those 3 elements I mentioned. –xeno (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the boo boo over at this guy's page, it had come to a stage where I got really mad at that bugga for constantly flouting wiki's policy on no personal attacks on other editors despite cautioning her/him on more than three separate occasions and the usage of weasel words on a few discussion pages as well as adding multiple coyvio entries in wikipedia. Anyway, thanks for correcting my mistake. Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:No problem. Though you really ought leave it up to admins to apply blocking templates, especially if you're involved =) –xeno (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

:*Roger, wilco! Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Xeno, hope you are well. The guy who runs the bot that normally delivers the Judaism newsletter is on extended wikibreak for medical reasons and I was wondering if Xenobot could fill in? This is the newsletter: Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Newsletter, and the full list of recipients (everyone on that page, under all subheaders): User:L'Aquatique/wpjewlist. Note that because the newsletter covers multiple wikiprojects there may be some people who appear in more than one and it would be great if they didn't receive the newsletter multiple times. What else? Oh, it needs to be substed not transcluded if at all possible and if you could instruct it to deliver on the 2nd of August that would be perfect.

Oh, also, I've noticed you've been working on the account creation mailing list- excellent, we really need admins! The only advice I have for you is you don't really need to drag out the long lawyer-text-like notice for when they don't give a desired username. Just reply to both them and the list that they need to pick a username. Saves time! : )

Thanks again- L'Aquatique[talk] 04:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yea, good point, those suggested templates are unnecessarily verbose =) Sure thing, I can deliver the newsletter. Any particular header you would like me to use? Any opt-out text from the bot or is that in the newsletter? The bot will sign the text for archivebots to work properly, but I can hide the sig with span tags if you like. –xeno (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

::Well, it comes preloaded with the header, so all that xbot should have to do is just add {{SUBST:Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/newsletter}} to the bottom of all the people's talk page. Sign it any way you want! The opt out is built in- there is a note at the bottom of the newsletter which provides a link to the list I gave you so then people just remove their names themselves. Oh, just in case you didn't see this, there are several headers of lists, make sure you get all the people. Thanks so much for doing this- L'Aquatique[talk] 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Shall do =) –xeno (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Wait, what about sock puppetry? I'm afraid I must have missed something? --JpGrB 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:It looks like they created multiple accounts to try and argue for the inclusion of those articles. With that in mind, I wouldn't blame you if you washed your hands of this particular person, and found a more clueful adoptee from C:ADOPT. –xeno (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::I was thinking about that. I believe I will this user a few weeks to turn around their attitude. If they still seem to be in this "funk" by then, I'll start anew. I'd like to help editors who want to learn to better this encyclopedia, just as editors who have bettered it when I began here. And hopefully this editor will turn around. If that makes sense. But I do thank you for your help. --JpGrB 19:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.148.229.233&diff=prev&oldid=228613186 this] a no-no? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 15:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it would've been better just to say something like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:89.240.143.6&diff=prev&oldid=228614094 this]. But, I'm not completely innocent of playing along with IP's silly unblock templates: User talk:78.151.161.213. –xeno (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::With Gwarp and Haggar edits right off the bat, he can rot in a hole... you know, IMHO, not that I would ever be BITEy or anything... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::that's another user altogether... but I am curious to see how he handles the 2nd chance template. –xeno (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A86.29.141.64&diff=228616791&oldid=228615514 Impressive start]. –xeno (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::WP:DUCK, my friend, WP:DUCK... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::::The fact that he chose a devon-related article, the template of which was recently hagger-ized, certainly doesn't do much to allay my concerns. –xeno (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Would it be inappropriate for me to delete First daughter first son? See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_daughter_first_son&action=history this]. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 17:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hrm, if you were the first and only prodder, I'd say "maybe" but since you guys (apparently non-ec double-prodded?) , I don't think it would be a huge problem if you were to delete it. –xeno (talk) 17:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, so basically, as long as I'm not the only person who thinks it should be deleted, I should be OK? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 17:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Pretty much. That article is cut-and-dry. If you were the only one to prod it, I'd probably say "let someone else do it". –xeno (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I recently encountered a user attempting to add a spoiler warning to a page. I noticed the spoiler template existed once but was deleted. Is there any protocol re information considered a spoiler, or are spoiler comments left untouched? Washburnmav (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Wikipedia does not omit spoilers, as it should be obvious an encyclopedia will cover subjects in detail. Relevant policy is here: WP:SPOILER. –xeno (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::Gotcha, I was just wondering if there was a notification of "spoilers to follow", but I see now there is not. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yo Xenocidic: I created this template using the category you changed to, but {{user|Werdan7}} objected here. I think the template is a good idea and would like to have it work in the manner you have changed it to do, but don't want to cause anyone trouble. Any ideas? Skomorokh 18:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ah, I see................ Hrm... Not making it a subcategory would be one way. Lemme see what keeper has to say about it, he found it. –xeno (talk) 18:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ha, pwned. I already posted at Skomorokh's page. I like it, and I support the differentiation for specific needs. If it's used even once a week effectively, it's useful enough. Keeper {{IPA|ǀ}} 76 18:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to deny his unblock request and throw in a 2nd chance template. Does that sound alright with you? Okiefromokla ^questions? 18:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Definately...go for it. –xeno (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just personal preference, but I find it reads better if you decline it with a "See below" and then subst it into a new talk page section. –xeno (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Eh, might do that next time :) Okiefromokla ^questions? 20:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:heh... oh yea, that was a lot of fun =) thanks for the barnstar.... i've had a few convos like that. find the one about the guy's signature... eesh! =) –xeno (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::xD ----eric (mailbox) 18:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for unblocking my account. I've tried to tell coworkers that wikipedia is not a joke, but I guess you can't have everyone listen to you. tabor-^{drop me a line} 19:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, i'm familiar with your co-worker... it's too bad that he went rogue. –xeno (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, too bad. Wikipedia is the only website outside of company websites we have access to, so using it makes the time go by quicker. Many thanks though! tabor-^{drop me a line} 19:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't a good faith talk. It's just someone being a nimrod and making rude comments. --Reezy (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Can you give me some context as to what this is about? never mind, I figured it out. it wasn't a big deal, if it had been, I would've left you a message. still shouldn't remove others talk pages comments. –xeno (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I see that you declined my speed delete of this image. I'm just curious why, because I feel it is blatant advertising. The image focus is solely on the logo of manufacturer. In the background you can make out a fuzzy rivet tool, but I don't think that justifies the use of the image. If you got to the talk page for the rivet article you'll notice that others think that the image is worthwhile either. I'm sure that a better image of a riveting tool can be found. Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hrm... I suppose I see your point. I'm not really familiar with "rivet tools" so I didn't know that it wasn't a good depiction of one, and only after I declined the speedy did I see the talk page discussion about it. I'll undo my edit and let someone else handle it. –xeno (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Looks like someone agreed with you: (Deletion log); 21:55 . . Athaenara (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Image:RivetHandtool.jpg" (WP:CSD#G11: blatant advertising (likely copyvio as well). Created by Rivetpro, tagged by Wizard191.) =) –xeno (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I've responded on my talk page, but I just wanted you to know I'm happy to work with you (and the author) if it means we get a useful article out of it, and I've been known to make mistakes. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:Many thanks for your excellent suggestion -- I agree completely with your proposed course of action. As I said there, I'm only sorry to have caused you extra trouble in the sense that I have to go offline and can't do what's needed myself. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)