WP:Articles for deletion/Bowie State University, Department of Public Safety

Note to closing administrator: there is some discussion on the talk page which includes material removed from this page, including one !vote. ➔ REDVEЯS has changed his plea to guilty 22:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

:{{la|Bowie State University, Department of Public Safety}} – (View AfD)(View log)

Small (14 officers) campus police department with no independent sources given. Appears to be non-notable according to WP:ORG. L. Pistachio (talk) 01:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• again, someone wants to delete this article. What do people have against the BSU police? This is a reputable agency, is part of List of law enforcement agencies in Maryland, and is a part of Wikiproject Law Enforcement, and Wikiproject Maryland. It can verified by third party sources. This article has as much right to exist on Wikipedia as the LAPD article, NYPD article, or any other law enforcement article. I know people put the deletion tabs in good faith, it is just annoying to have to keep defending the little guy. Unless I hear differently, I will remove the deletion tab and take it our of the AfD category in 48 hours. Sallicio (talk) 03:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Sallicio
• PS why do people want to delete this, but anal cleansing is kept without a problem...not a sermon, just a thought.

:::*The existence of any other article that may warrant deletion is not relevant to this discussion (see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS). It is solely about the merits of the article at hand. This does not have as much right to exist on Wikipedia as NYPD or LAPD because those are very large, notable agencies, and this is not. This information belongs in the article on the university. --L. Pistachio (talk) 05:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. May merit mention in the University article. Most communities with substantially larger police departments (my own, for example) do not have separate articles for them. --Dhartung | Talk 04:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect - Merge the sourced bits into a section on the Bowie State University article. Beyond that, this is more detail about the subject than is necessary. It's just too small a department to be notable. matt91486 (talk) 04:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete If there is anything worth keeping it would be a line or two in the main article. There area few articles about university police departments, and i have doubts about every one of them-- there is nothing much to say that is not of the most specialised interest. There is a very strong difference between LAPD and a town or a college police department. We dont keep police or fire departments, except for the largest and best known cities. DGG (talk) 05:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

At what point is a police department too small to be notable? Per Dhartung's department, the only reason there is no article is because no one has written one yet. There was no article for the Prince George's County Police Department (of which there are over 1400 officers) or the Prince George's County Sheriff's Office before I created it. Because they didn't exist, would that make them not worthy of an article. If we delete the BSU Police Department, then all other departments that are on the any of the list of's should be deleted...because they are not worthy enough. Wikipedia's criteria is simple...have references and third party sources, of which the BSUPD has. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill here folks! Free the BSUPD! Thanks! Sallicio (talk) 05:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Sallicio

:As far as I'm aware, there isn't set criteria as of yet for police department size. I'd think that 14 is too small, though. matt91486 (talk) 05:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

:*There is no specific guideline for this beyond WP:ORG. We just have to use common sense. Sallicio, you are oversimplifying the inclusion criteria somewhat. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Just because we can verify the subject's existence does not mean it is notable. --L. Pistachio (talk) 06:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

- :*Perhaps. But consider this: Look at all the list of's. Someone looks into the encyclopedia because they want to know a certain thing about a certain subject. We are not here to dictate what people can and can not see/or know about. The guideline is for notability is referenced and third-party cited (yes I know it's not set in stone but it is there for a reason). Beyond that it is just personal opinion. Are you now going to go into my list of creations and start speedy deleting all those that you don't think are valid? The main thing to consider when editing is to look at the content and the criteria. Leave one's opinion out. Let others decide what they want to look at. Perhaps I am in left field here. I have never understood why people spend so much of their wiki-time debating over trivial stuff when there is actual vandalism going on, patent nonsense articles being created, etc, etc. I am not oversimplifying, I'm being a realist. Let the article be. Thanks. Sallicio (talk) 06:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Sallicio

:*You state, "The guideline is for notability is 'referenced' and 'third-party cited'. The article in question is neither. That's why we're having this discussion. My opinion has nothing to do with it. --L. Pistachio (talk) 07:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• http://www.bowiestate.edu/about/mission2.asp#history
• http://www.bowiestate.edu/about/finance/pscp.asp?vm=t
• http://www.bowiestate.edu/about/mission2.asp#historyhttp://www.bowiestate.edu/downloads/foundationdocs/FactBook_03-04.pdf
• http://www.bowiestate.edu/about/finance/auth.asp *http://www.gazette.net/stories/041907/bowinew195513_32339.shtml
• Delete The information would probably be more appropriate in the BSU article, especially considering all of the sources are the university's website. Maxamegalon2000 06:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete I do not think we need an article for every campus police dept in the nation. What about the campus fire Marshall? campus maintenance? grounds keeping? Corpx (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

• The nominating party and myself have compromised with an inclusion into the parent article and a redirect, which I have done. Sallicio (talk) 23:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Sallicio

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