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== Category:Eastern Orthodox societies and orders by type ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) feminist 10:07, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Eastern Orthodox societies and orders by type to :Category:Eastern Orthodox orders and societies

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge, no need to split by type as long as there is only one type. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:15, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Merge -- This is an unnecessary category level. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Category:More United ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|More United}}

:Nominator's rationale: The only articles in this category other than More United are Aftermath of the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016 and United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016. More United should be categories based on those articles and not the other way around. Tim! (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

:: Sure, when I wrote the article I anticipated more coverage to follow. Deku-shrub (talk) 21:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete -- This strikes me as a political organisation (akin to, but not, a political party) that is barely notable; Such cross-party initiatives rarely produce much. This one was probably a campaign started specifically for the Richmond by-election It is certainly not notable enough to need its own category, at least not until this can there is something to populate it with. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Category:Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa participants ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) feminist 11:12, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa participants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 27#Category:Strictly Come Dancing participants and other reality TV show discussions for precedent. Rob Sinden (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete Reality show contestants who are unknowns before the show may be defined by the broadcast. Dancing with the Stars, by definition, brings people on who are already famous. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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==Category:Visual novels by year==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge all per nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting :Category:Visual novels by year

:* Propose merging :Category:1988 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:1988 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2000 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2000 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2001 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2001 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2003 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2003 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2004 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2004 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2005 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2005 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2006 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2006 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2007 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2007 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2008 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2008 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2009 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2009 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2010 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2010 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2011 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2011 video games

:* Propose merging :Category:2013 visual novels to :Category:Visual novels and :Category:2013 video games

:Nominator's rationale: Per the June 2016 CfD for role-playing video games by period and the WikiProject Video games discussion, the current consensus is that video games by genre by year is overcategorization. Additionally, not all of these are of the visual novel genre only: Ace Attorney Investigations 2 can for instance no longer be found in :Category:2011 video games despite being a VN-adventure game hybrid, not only a VN.--IDVtalk 11:00, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Support – The issue is, as described, the overlap between visual novels and other genres of video games. Definitions of visual novel may vary from person to person, and if some doubt may exist, then the subject should be in a "xxxx video games" category. ~Mable (chat) 11:58, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support per the WTVG discussion and nom's sound rationale. Isn't this just reverting a single user? I'd revert their edits and delete the empty categories. I'm only thinking of it now, but that might have been better (BRD) than CfD in the first place, especially since the editor hasn't justified their edits after request czar 19:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support – this shouldn't even be in question, per past precedent. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Merge as nominated per arguments raised at similar CFD. --The1337gamer (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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== Category:Wikipedians on Mars ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Consensus that this category does not assist collaboration between editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:20, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians on Mars}}

:*See also discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_22#Category:People_paid_by_Big_Pharma_to_schill as a category created by User:Rathfelder for :Category:Idiosyncratic Wikipedians, and the related RfC

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Violates WP:USERCAT in that this category does not help foster encyclopedic collaboration. In other words, there is no reason to group users in this category & to seek out such users for any reason that can be reasonably expected to improve the encyclopedia. Joke category, prime example of an inappropriate type of user category. Finally, This has been brought to CfD before, but my nomination was closed per G7, which does not set precedent for G4 speedy deletion precedent so I thought it necessary to bring here, although if anyone disagrees I won't complain. VegaDark (talk) 06:57, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose. These joke categories on user pages interfere with the working of :Special:WantedCategories if they are left as redlinks. If it is to be deleted from the user page that would be a different matter, but the policy appears to be that nobody is allowed to interfere with redlinks on user pages.Rathfelder (talk) 13:23, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

:* Comment, this oppose is related to this RFC. Procedurally it would be best to close the RFC first and then close this category discussion accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Series of joke user categories on [[User:Spiderpig662]] ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete all ~ Rob13Talk 22:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians who pointlessly add long categories to their user page, because the user is bored}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians who are Ducks}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians who do not wish to be categorized}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians with goofy userpages}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians who.... Crap, I forgot what the category was}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians– okay I'll stop now.}}

:*See also discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_22#Category:People_paid_by_Big_Pharma_to_schill as a category created by User:Rathfelder for :Category:Idiosyncratic Wikipedians, and the related RfC

:Nominator's rationale: Delete all. Violates WP:USERCAT in that these categories do not help foster encyclopedic collaboration. In other words, there is no reason to group users in these categories & to seek out such users for any reason that can be reasonably expected to improve the encyclopedia. Joke categories, prime examples of inappropriate types of user category. Possible speedy delete candidates - I'll leave that judgment in the hands of another administrator. VegaDark (talk) 06:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete all - obviously joke categories in violation of WP:USERCAT. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 06:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all of these comedically used categories that are barely even used. I have a sense of humor, but these jokes aren't landing too well anyway. ~Mable (chat) 12:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. These joke categories on user pages interfere with the working of :Special:WantedCategories if they are left as redlinks. If it is to be deleted from the user page that would be a different matter, but the policy appears to be that nobody is allowed to interfere with redlinks on user pages.Rathfelder (talk) 13:23, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

:* Comment, this oppose is related to this RFC. Procedurally it would be best to close the RFC first and then close this category discussion accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete all. The huge number of user categories has the unintended consequence of making it very difficult to find a category that could be helpful. It would be useful to remove all trivial or joke categories. I like jokes, but they are not jokes after more than a day or two. A joke is only funny the first time you hear it, maybe the second time if it is a truly excellent joke. Jack N. Stock (talk) 16:41, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all Just joke categories. Jim Carter 08:47, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all user categories are not meant to be a place to practice ones humourous writing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:19, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep at least #1, #3 and #6. A good joke (in a category or not) makes wikipedia a nicer place to be in, and indirectly contributes to its goals more than all the bland usercat CfDs could ever do. – Uanfala (talk) 16:03, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all As almost everyone here has previously stated, these are joke categories, and they violate WP:USERCAT. XboxGamer22408talk to me 00:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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== Category:Bhadohi district ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge :Category:Sant Ravidas Nagar district to :Category:Bhadohi district and rename the subcategories (non-admin closure). I have removed the foreign text from the top category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Bhadohi district}}

:* Propose renaming {{Lc|Sant Ravidas Nagar district}} to :Category:Bhadohi district - (added 16 Jan, 09:08)

::* Propose renaming :Category:Cities and towns in Sant Ravidas Nagar district to :Category:Cities and towns in Bhadohi district (added 17 Jan)

::* Propose renaming :Category:People from Sant Ravidas Nagar district to :Category:People from Bhadohi district

::* Propose renaming :Category:Villages in Sant Ravidas Nagar district to :Category:Villages in Bhadohi district

:Nominator's rationale: Category in a foreign language that belongs in the main or draft namespaces. ∼∼∼∼ Eric0928Talk 00:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment. This seems to be (among other things) a malformed attempt at renaming Sant Ravidas Nagar district and possibly copying and pasting a foreign language Wikipedia article (possible WP:A2). The district was renamed.[http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/sant-ravidas-nagar-district-to-be-renamed-as-bhadohi-44969.html] The relevant category is :Category:Sant Ravidas Nagar district. • Gene93k (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete and rename respectively. Thanks for the citation, Gene93k. I have renamed the main article, and added the existing category to this nomination for renaming. – Fayenatic London 09:07, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • REname/merge -- The citation is of a proposal to rename. I am assuming that has taken place. Do we need to retain cat-redirects? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete the foreign-language Bhadohi district category and rename the Sant Ravidas Nagar district categories as proposed by the nominator. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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== Populated waterside places ==

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: rename to option B, "Populated coastal places" etc. (Disclosure: I closed the previous CfD as well, but I don't think that excludes me from closing this one.) – Fayenatic London 14:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

:Propose renaming either:

  • :OPTION A: adjective populated places

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:*OPTION B: Populated adjective places

:* :Category:Waterside populated places to :Category:Populated waterside places

:* :Category:Waterside populated places by country to :Category:Populated waterside places by country

:* :Category:Coastal populated places to :Category:Populated coastal places

:* :Category:Riverside populated places to :Category:Populated riverside places

:* :Category:Lakeshore populated places to :Category:Populated lakeshore places

:Nominator's rationale: This a procedural nomination, as a followup to CFD 2016 December 8.

:That discussion listed only the 5 parent categories named in Option B (the subcats were nether listed nor tagged). It closed with a decision to rename them to their current titles.

:At the closer's suggestion, the 217 subcats were listed at WP:CFD/S, where I opposed the renaming on procedural grounds. After somemuch discussion in various places, it was agreed that I should do a fresh procedural nominations, giving two choices:

:* OPTION A completes the previous nomination, renaming all the sub-categories to the "adjective populated" format agreed on Dec 8 for the 5 parents

:* OPTION B reverses the previous nomination, renaming the 5 parent categories to the "populated adjective" format in use before the Dec 8 CFD.

:Either option will ensure consistency. My role is purely procedural, and I have no personal preference. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

:::Original nominator's rationale: (from Dec 8, in support of OPTION A) This proposal includes all child categories with "Populated ADJECTIVE places" as the core part of the name, e.g. "populated coastal places", "populated riverside places", and "populated lakeshore places". I've tagged these three child categories, as well as :Category:Populated waterside places by country, but there are so many child categories that it would take an inordinate amount of time to tag all of them.

:::Why this odd wording? I'd never use this construction, and it isn't normal English — it's similar to Tolkien's "green great dragon" ([http://www.openculture.com/2012/01/jrr_tolkien_in_his_own_words.html link], if you don't know what I'm talking about). "Populated place" is the core of the term, so the adjective should come first. Nyttend (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

:Note most of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy&oldid=760264366#Opposed_nominations discussion on the speedy nomination] was procedural, but there were two substantive comments there which may be relevant. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

  • All [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl&dir=next&offset=201701160048&limit=222&target=BrownHairedGirl 222 categories are now tagged]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Pinging the participants in the Dec 8 CFD: {{ping|Peterkingiron|Marcocapelle}}. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:49, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

=== Discussion: Populated adjective places ===

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  • Option B – Use "Populated coastal place". This arose from a cfd in 2010. To my (UK) ear it is "coastal populated place" which sounds wrong. Oculi (talk) 00:38, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B - "Populated location place" seems more correct. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:37, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B per above two comments. Option A sounds wrong. VegaDark (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B sounds much more idiomatic to me (western USA dialect/accent, if that's relevant). Since the only reason given for the earlier move was a claim by the nominator that it was option A that was idiomatic, I don't think I need to give any more detailed policy-based rationale than this. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B. In English, adjective order normally proceeds from things easiest to change to things most difficult to change [https://www.theenglishstudent.com/uploads/2/4/1/5/24150879/5801151_orig.png?361], so geological formation would come after the level of population. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:06, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B "Populated location place" is better, IMHO. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • It should be consistent for sure. Neutral between A and B. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B sounds much better. The word differentiating these categories from other similar ones should be first and it is 'populated. Other cogent arguments for B have already been stated here. Hmains (talk) 04:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Definitely Option B -- This is a much more natural word order. Not sure if including "populated" is strictly necessary, but convention requires it. Any proposal to drop it needs to be left for a separate discussion. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B - surprised someone hasnt gone ahead and closed this, there is no dissension from the option - JarrahTree 07:21, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Option B, "Populated location place". It is a question about adjective order: description, location, noun. — Sam Sailor 17:55, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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