WP:Requests for checkuser/Case/Brzica milos etc

{{rfcu box|case=Brzica milos etc|filed=16:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)}}

• {{checkuser|Brzica milos etc}}
• {{checkuser|Brzica miIos ect}}
• {{checkip|71.252.106.166}}
• {{checkuser|Kirker}}
• {{checkuser|AlasdairGreen27}}
• {{checkuser|AniMate}}
• {{checkuser|DIREKTOR}}
• {{checkip|71.252.83.230}}
• {{checkuser|PaxEquilibrium}}
• {{checkuser|Velebit}}

• Code letter: F

• Supporting evidence:

Users Brzica milos etc, Brzica milos ect, 71.252.106.166 are SPA accounts which are edit warring together in multiple articles [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ljubo_Milo%C5%A1&diff=236544127&oldid=236511381] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ljubo_Milo%C5%A1&diff=236511381&oldid=236092581] (examples are from article Ljubo Miloš)

Without question when we speak about users AlasdairGreen27 and Kirker we are speaking about meatpuppets. For evidence I will use this examples:

• AlasdairGreen27 7 september comments: "we are trying as a group" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlasdairGreen27&diff=236759681&oldid=236755638]
• On 6 September I have started action against Kirker because of his insults. 20 minutes latter we are having AlasdairGreen27 which is defending Kirker and attacking my actions. Soon afterward he will even try to block me ?? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=236564160&oldid=236560088]
• On 23 August using false arguments about edit warring Kirker has started discussion in article World War II persecution of Serbs [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWorld_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs&diff=233726924&oldid=233590956]. Soon afterward we are having users DIREKTOR [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWorld_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs&diff=233987995&oldid=233985707] and Animate in this discussion. Answer on my comments about meatpuppets because of earlier dispute in article Miroslav Filipović have been assume good faith [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWorld_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs&diff=233992242&oldid=233991606]
• August dispute in article Miroslav Filipović [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Miroslav_Filipovi%C4%87&action=history]

Last 3 users on this check list are banned users which are maybe puppeteers. For example I will use article World War II persecution of Serbs and user Kirker which have given support to banned users PaxEquilibrium in trying to change article name ( [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWorld_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs&diff=233590956&oldid=233503488 my banned user revert] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWorld_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs&diff=233726924&oldid=233590956 Kirker action].). Similar situation is about citations in article Miroslav Filipović and banned user Velebit (IP 71.252.83.230 is 1 of Velebit address because in my thinking that account is too old for checking). My writings about this can be very, very long, but there is not point in this because wiki community is having agreement that we are dealing with sock or meat puppetry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=236613021&oldid=236612536].

Latter I will add 1 IP from England because of this summer death threats ([http://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Razgovor_sa_suradnikom%3ARjecina&diff=1320007&oldid=1319218 on Croatian]) on Croatian wiki. IP address of this threats is in England ([http://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Razgovor_sa_suradnikom%3ARjecina&diff=1321141&oldid=1320941 on Croatian]) and Kirker is from England [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARjecina&diff=235570659&oldid=235494788]. It is important to say that I will not latter comment writing users in this case because few of them are known for trying to derail discussions [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ante_Paveli%C4%87&diff=180500288&oldid=180267972] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKirker&diff=236697005&oldid=236696284]

For the end information is needed if users in question are from Washington area. I am 99 % sure that if nobody else Brzica milos etc and his puppets are from this area. Checkuser Thatcher is knowing reason for this question.--Rjecina (talk) 16:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comment User:PaxEquilibrium was the former sockmaster. See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/PravdaRuss. I feel that this is too expansive and looks in part to be related to a series of disputes. The first three (User:Brzica milos etc, User:Brzica miIos ect, and User:71.252.106.166) are clearly related, almost comically. The others have been going back and forth with User:Rjecina over sockpuppet allegations for quite a while. See this recent WP:ANI report and this response. The rest should be ignored as requiring more evidence that they are actually related to this specific need for checkuser. User:Kirker in particular remarked here (note: also about me in large part) about repeated (somewhat baseless) sockpuppetry allegations. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

:*Comment. There may be some logic in listing the first three users above, but the rest of the list seems overbroad and very confusing. I join in Ricky81682's suggestion that more evidence is needed for the others. EdJohnston (talk) 13:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

::*Comment. I'm just curious why two administrators are actively supporting this User:Rjecina whose only business is to throw accusations blindly against the people he cannot block or prevent from editing other way. Just asking these two (Ricky81682, EdJohnston) - are they ready to apologize to me after learning that I am not Brzica milos etc/ect?--71.252.106.166 (talk) 00:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Brzica milos etc and Brzica miIos ect are two different people.
• {{user|Brzica milos etc}} is located in the same large metropolitan area as 71.252.106.166, which is also where Velebit edited from, and they are both at least {{likely}} based on behavior to be Velebit.
• {{user|Brzica miIos ect}} is PravdaRuss, also new accounts {{user|The Graet Duck}} and {{user|Progwa}}.
• No comment on the others, too much of a fishing expedition. Thatcher 02:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

: Thank you Thatcher. Well, that was certainly unexpected, I'll have to say. To 71.252.106.166, I don't think you are helping yourself with demands on everyone else. I chose to remark that this checkuser seems overbroad, as did Ed. We easily could have ignored it and kept to ourselves. We are not supporting the checkuser and in fact remarked on its breath. You can choose to attack everyone who remarks on you in any way or focus on working with those who are at least willing to meet you halfway. This goes beyond this checkuser. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

If "Brzica miIos ect is PravdaRuss, also new accounts The Graet Duck and Progwa", will anyone block those accounts?

Few minutes I've put tags {{sockpuppetcheckuser|PaxEquilibrium}}, but then I saw that these accounts aren't blocked at all.

As I write this, Progwa has blanked the page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AProgwa&diff=237454326&oldid=237454019]. Interesting, I remember user who contributed similarly, user

{{checkuser|Wermania}},

whose behaviour (and sole type of his contributions) was tagging the articles, like {{totallydisputed}}. Kubura (talk) 07:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

:{{checkuser|J. A. Comment}}. I am adding this user because in thinking of Mangojuice there is no enough evidence for Suspected sock puppets case. Evidence for check is:

:Wiki vaccation of J. A. Comment has ended on 2 september.

:Wiki vaccation of Brzica milos etc has ended on 3 september

:Wiki vaccation of 71.252.106.166 has ended on 5 september

:edit warring together with 71.252.106.166 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magnum_Crimen&diff=236981702&oldid=236701258] and Brzica milos etc [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ljubo_Milo%C5%A1&diff=236092581&oldid=235903834] against other users.

:J. A. Comment is editing same large metropolitan area as Velebit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThatcher&diff=219292375&oldid=219268045], and Brzica milos etc and 71.252.106.166.--Rjecina (talk) 18:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

::There is no basis at all to add this user. Even if J.A. Comment were confirmed to be Brzica milos etc (or using the named IP), he is not doing any violation - no 3RR using these accounts or vote fraud or anything. Claim that J.A. Comment is Velebit has not been proved despite previous Checkusers and hence that too cannot be used to ban him (Rjecina has been trying to ban J.A. Comment for months). 213.198.217.106 (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)