Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Larryem

{{nutshell|Do not make arguments or proposals solely based on the ideas of Larry Sanger.}}

Argumentum ad Larryem is the logical fallacy that Larry Sanger's opinions (as someone involved early in the project) are somehow a reason to operate Wikipedia differently.

Avoid creating policy proposals, content change requests, or appeals based on what he has said. He has criticized the project from the very beginning,{{cite news| title = Wikipedia founder sets up rival| url = http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it-old/wikipedia-founder-sets-up-rival/story-e6frgamx-1111112381852| publisher = Australian IT| date = October 19, 2006| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20140808154706/http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it-old/wikipedia-founder-sets-up-rival/story-e6frgamx-1111112381852| archive-date = August 8, 2014| url-status = dead}} using very similar arguments.{{cite magazine| first = Daniel H.| last = Pink| title = The Book Stops Here| url = https://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki.html| magazine = Wired| date = March 2005| access-date = March 25, 2007| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20050304025027/http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki.html| archive-date = March 4, 2005| url-status = live}}{{cite news |first = Larry| last = Sanger| title = Why Wikipedia Must Jettison Its Anti-Elitism| url = http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/12/30/142458/25 |publisher = Kuro5hin |date = December 31, 2004| access-date = March 25, 2007 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20050105021508/http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/12/30/142458/25 |archive-date=January 5, 2005 |url-status=dead}}{{cite news |first = Iain |last = Thomson |title = Wikipedia 'broken beyond repair' says co-founder |url = http://www.itnews.com.au/News/78127,wikipedia-broken-beyond-repair-says-co-founder.aspx |publisher = iTnews |date = April 13, 2007 |access-date = December 18, 2011 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20121222154606/http://www.itnews.com.au/News/78127,wikipedia-broken-beyond-repair-says-co-founder.aspx |archive-date = December 22, 2012 |url-status = live }}{{cite news |first = Nicole |last = Ferraro |title = Wikipedia Co-Founder Speaks Out Against Jimmy Wales |url = http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=466&doc_id=182853 |work = Internet Evolution |agency = UBM LLC |date = October 9, 2009 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20091013012858/http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=466&doc_id=182853 |archive-date = October 13, 2009 |access-date = October 23, 2013}}{{cite web|author=Schwartz|first=Zach|date=November 11, 2015|title=Wikipedia's Co-Founder Is Wikipedia's Most Outspoken Critic|url=https://www.vice.com/read/wikipedias-co-founder-is-wikipedias-biggest-critic-511|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20151114004055/http://www.vice.com/read/wikipedias-co-founder-is-wikipedias-biggest-critic-511|archive-date=November 14, 2015|access-date=November 15, 2015|work=Vice}}{{cite magazine|last1=Fitts|first1=Alexis Sobel|date=June 21, 2017|title=Welcome to the Wikipedia of the Alt-Right|magazine=Wired|url=https://www.wired.com/story/welcome-to-the-wikipedia-of-the-alt-right/|url-status=live|access-date=January 16, 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180117131122/https://www.wired.com/story/welcome-to-the-wikipedia-of-the-alt-right/|archive-date=January 17, 2018}}{{cite news|last=Flood|first=Brian|date=May 21, 2020|title=Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger says online encyclopedia scrapped neutrality, favors lefty politics|work=|publisher=Fox News|url=https://www.foxnews.com/media/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger-says-online-dictionary-scrapped-neutrality-favors-lefty-politics|access-date=May 22, 2020}}{{Cite web|last=Foggin|first=Sophie|date=2019-05-23|title="Wikipedia is a broken system," says co-founder Larry Sanger|url=https://150sec.com/wikipedia-is-a-broken-system-says-co-founder-larry-sanger/11453/|access-date=2021-02-08|website=150sec}}{{cite news|last=Lott|first=Maxim|date=February 19, 2021|title=Inside Wikipedia's leftist bias: socialism pages whitewashed, communist atrocities buried|work=Fox News|url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wikipedia-bias-socialism-pages-whitewashed|access-date=February 21, 2021}} {{Cite web|last=Aggarwal|first=Mayank|date=2021-07-16|title=Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html|access-date=2021-07-17|website=The Independent|language=en}} Sanger's arguments have not held sway among Wikipedia's editors at any point in those {{age|December 31, 2004}} years, so why would they hold sway now?

Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Larryem

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