Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alipore Girls' & Boys' High School

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Absolutely non-notable, to the point that I couldn't even locate this school's affilaition number in either WBBSE or WBCHSE.  — fr ⁺ 07:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

• Confused, probably delete, I have seen comments from experienced editors / reviewers that all high schools are considered notable, however that doesn't seem to be the case under WP:NHSCHOOL. So it's probably a delete. But, it is on the WBBSE list, or at least the boys' school is - C1-003 ALIPUR TAKSHAL VIDYAPITH INDIA GOVT MINT COLONY PO NEW ALIPORE PS TARATALA KOLKATA-53 PHONE: 24014559. And that list says it's current "Up to June, 2005", so there could well have been changes since then. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:33, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

::How does Alipur Takshal Vidyapith correspond to Alipore Girl's & Boy's High School?  — fr ⁺ 11:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:::{{u|RebeccaGreen}} (Fixed ping) — fr ⁺ 11:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Certainly WBBSE-affiliated as indicated by the [http://wbbse.org/ss24pgs.htm WBBSE] and [http://rag.sanmarg.in/qualified3.php this recognition by a regional newspaper]. It seems likely sources are available in the Hindi language. Jack N. Stock (talk) 11:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

::{{u|Jacknstock}}, I would like to correct you...{{p}}The primary medium of communication of the locality is Bengali (which should be obvious given that the school is situated in Kolkata, West Bengal, India). Additionally, I am not able to find any mention of Alipore Girl's & Boy's High School in the link being provided by you. Regards  — fr ⁺ 11:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC) — fr ⁺ 11:48, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:::In the WBBSE list, the school is listed with index C1-413. In Sanmarg's Certificate Holder list, student 55 is Devraj Pathak of Alipore Girls & Boys High School, which is listed as tested by WBBSE. Sanmarg is published in Hindi. Jack N. Stock (talk) 12:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

• KeepAn educational place must be there.JPL549 (talk) 11:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 12:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
• Comment--FR, C-414 over [http://wbbse.org/skolkata.htm this page] indicates that it's affiliated to WBBSE.[http://wbchse.nic.in/admin/school_details.php?hp=2351 This] confirms the same as to WBHSE.And, your nomination rationale is thus voided in entirety.∯WBG^converse 16:21, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:*I would explicitly call for a delete due to a complete failure to meet GNG, (in the loosest of interpretations) but I fully expect that the School Brigade will appear to claim that they are more certain than native speakers of available sourcing (which is just not accessible.....) and hence keep this, as happens to all schools........∯WBG^converse 16:21, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

• I still believe that the subject of the article in question is non-notable mainly due to the chronic unavailability of reliable third party sourcing. The Sanmarg source shows nothing except the fact that a student of that particular school won some non-notable award. Additionally, I have struck the misleading portion of my rationale.  — fr ⁺ 14:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
• Keep -- This is a high school. It exists. Therefore keep per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

::As stated at SCHOOLOUTCOMES, "it is an accurate statement of the results but promotes circular reasoning". It isn't a reason to keep itself. 331dot (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

:::So you're saying that saying that something ought to happen because it always happens is circular reasoning? Like the sun ought to rise tomorrow because it always rises is a fallacious argument? It seems like a perfectly sound argument to me. Please elaborate on your position. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 15:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

::::That is exactly what I am saying- though it isn't just me saying it, but the consensus established for WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. The sun is going to rise tomorrow because the Earth is moving around it, not because it rose yesterday. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

:::::The consensus at SCHOOLOUTCOMES is that the prediction creates circular reasoning, but you're claiming something more, which is that the fact that an outcome is predicted isn't a reason in favor of the outcome. There's no consensus for that on WP and even if there were, which there is not, it would still be a fallacy. The argument that something usually happens therefore it should happen is a perfectly sound argument. And I'm sorry you don't know what the word "to rise" means in the context of the sun, but you could take a look [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rise#Verb at the definition] if you're still confused about the sun rising. The fact that the meaning of this common word eludes you makes me trust your reasoning even less. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

::::::Thanks for the help, but I am very much aware of the physics of the Earth moving around the sun and have been since middle school. And while I take no pleasure in not having your trust, I'm comfortable with my position. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

:::::::I never doubted your understanding of the physics. It's the verb "to rise" in the context of the sun that you don't get. Cheers! 192.160.216.52 (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

:*Apologies, Wikiplus handles edit-conflict weirdly (in rare cases), that caused me to overwrite you !vote and your reversion gave impressions of someone removing my !vote, in entirety.∯WBG^converse 16:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• Delete - clear failure of WP:GNG; the school needs to do more than just merely exist to be notable; see WP:NSCHOOL Spiderone 12:18, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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