Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allan Pease

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my quick research showed person is not notable and this article is almost here to advertise the person, enwiki wikipedia article is being used as reason to create articles for him, it would be great if other colleagues also could take a look Mardetanha (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:39, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

• Delete, non-notable author. Zhangj1079 (T|C) 18:14, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. The main problem here seems to be that yes, there's a lot of his promotional material on the web. But it's not all promotional, and the charge that the article is almost here to advertise the person (whatever almost means) is complete rubbish, I created it so I should know! (I have no COI or I would have disclosed it.) Pease easily satisfies GNG and the article demonstrates his notability IMO, even a quick check on his book Body Language (1981) would show this. Another problem is that our article body language does not mention his early work and should, as the term appears to have been coined by him and was certainly popularised by him. Our article cites only his 2004 book, and links to him in See also, and that's it. But check the dates on the references in that article, noting that only the recent ones even mention this now-standard term while Pease published it in 1981. Andrewa (talk) 20:55, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
• Strong keep Allan Pease is iconic in the field of body language. There is more than enough WP:NEXIST to pass WP:GNG. NOM admits only a "quick search" and also admits "almost . . to advertise . .", which seems to mean that this is a weak AfD nomination with insufficient WP:BEFORE. Certainly the article could be a lot stronger but that is not grounds for deletion. I must admit surprise that the article is not more complete. If Andrewa does not work on it I might if I can find the time. Aoziwe (talk) 13:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC) PS has multiple interlangauge wikilinks - so the subject has some level of wide interest. Aoziwe (talk) 13:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
• I just did a Google scholar search [https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?start=20&q=%22Allan+Pease%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5] and got over 800 hits, but the first two pages were all written by Pease and self-published, which I guess is as far as nom and {{u|Zhangj1079}} looked. But on page three are two relevant hits Body Language: It's What You Don't Say That Matters by Robert Phipps and Gender and Wildfire: Landscapes of Uncertainty by Christine Eriksen, both published in the mainstream press. This pattern is repeated on the following pages, lots of chaff but plenty of wheat too. The book by Eriksen is revealing in another way... Pease and his wife and recent co-author Barbara are (perhaps rightly) hated by much of the feminist movement, whose views are not compatible with theirs to say the least. But that's not a reason for deletion. Andrewa (talk) 21:19, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

:::Ah. Alright, I seemed to have voted on delete before thinking. Thank you! Zhangj1079 (T|C) 23:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

::::No harm done. I'm surprised that the stub I started hasn't grown by now. Perhaps this will stir us into fixing both it and the body language article. Andrewa (talk) 05:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

:::::It has in the past and then been culled back again due to COI and due to non wiki content and sources. The edit history is quite revealing. Aoziwe (talk) 11:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

::::::Exactly... I've restored the stub templates. It is always permissable to remove unsourced content but better to find sources for it, and if the article is stubified the stub templates should be restored, surely all that is obvious? Apparently not. Andrewa (talk) 04:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

:I just wanted us to be sure about his notability, I have been dealing with issues around advertising him in other wikis Mardetanha (talk) 08:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

::Mardetanha. Sorry but to be clear - are you withdrawing your AfD nomination. Aoziwe (talk) 11:54, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

:yes, please Mardetanha (talk) 10:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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