Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/America's Next Top Model, Cycle 18

:{{la|America's Next Top Model, Cycle 18}} – (View AfDView log{{•}} [http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/America%27s_Next_Top_Model,_Cycle_18 Stats])

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• Delete As stated, fails requirements for WP:NOTABLE, violates what Wiki is not as a fan siteWP:NOT violates WP:SOAPas a promotional tool and has no realiable sources WP:RELIABLE. This show is a contest, making it an event but it fails WP:EVENT as well. There is virtually no reason for this page to exist if Wiki is not a fan site. Please discuss these matters on fan sites, fan forums, and other means outside of Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.147.72.167 (talk) 14:07, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Delete Does not meet requirements for WP:NOTABLE as the notability of this reality TV show is questionable, and violates many standards established in WP:NOT. There is no coverage for this more than any other television show and as a result this fails the WP:NOTNEWSPAPER policy because it fails to demonstrate why or how it will have any enduring notability. Page should be merged into a generalized America's Next Top Model page, or even more accurately merge all of the iterations of this show together into 1 small page including the British and other national versions. Mississippistfan (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 May 10. Snotbot  t • c »  23:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep There are major issues with the entire ANTM article space, but they shouldn't be dealt with through wholesale deletion. Also due to lack of edits, reads as a possible bad faith nomination. Nate • (chatter) 04:51, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

:Switch to Speedy Keep The posts brought up by Life of Riley make clear that nothing except an agenda push unrelated to ANTM was the reason for this nom. We don't need this AfD stretched out further or for this to be dragged into the MMA discussion. Nate • (chatter) 23:27, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Show receives wide press coverage (particularly in fashion/celebrity/women's-interest publication), establishing notability. It's well established that series or even episodes of TV shows can have separate articles providing they have sufficient references. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:38, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Delete As stated, fails requirements for WP:NOTABLE, violates what Wiki is not as a fan siteWP:NOT violates WP:SOAPas a promotional tool and has no realiable sources WP:RELIABLE. This show is a contest, making it an event but it fails WP:EVENT as well. There is virtually no reason for this page to exist if Wiki is not a fan site. Please discuss these matters on fan sites, fan forums, and other means outside of Wiki. Why can't fans of America's Top Model make their own wiki for this WP:fancruft? AugustWest1980 (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep As right now, per given statement in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/America's Next Top Model on giving a snowball keep. ApprenticeFan ^work 14:59, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep and close. Bad faith nomination by bad faith user. See a couple of nominator's edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Top_Model_series&diff=prev&oldid=488979161 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=488981970 here]. This nomination appears to be a retaliation against another user for the deletion of some MMA-related articles. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 19:08, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

:*Comment It is really presumptuous of you to comment on the nominators motive, as you have no insight into his thinking process. Regardless, this article fails Wiki standards based on my post above, and for that reason should be deleted. This isn't a fan site for "America's Next Top Model", it is an encyclopedia. Such a shallow reality show is not fit for an encyclopedia entry, especially not dozens of articles on every little nuance related to the show. At the very least, merge all the individual articles into one entry for "America's Next Top Model" and be done with it. This isn't a fan site, this isn't a news site. Wikipedia is not the place for up-to-the-minute update news from reality TV. AugustWest1980 (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Speedy keep This is clearly a pointy, bad faith nomination to get back at the creator. Mississippistfan and AugustWest1980 are a part of this bad faith nomination. Silverseren^C 23:59, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

For courtesy, a point out that these two nominations are being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#WP:POINTy nominations of ANTM articles, though we could use some sensible discussion about this (I am not willing to be dragged into the MMA discussion at all). Nate • (chatter) 23:23, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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