Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Austin Lonestars

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Austin and Philly (the source found for that one was underwhelming to later participants), keep Muddy and Gotham. The only real issue was sourcing/verification--retention or deletion of other gay rugby articles is not relevant. Please add the sources listed here to the articles in question. Chick Bowen 03:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:Upon further review, and at the request of an editor, I've decided to delete Muddy York, too. I think this one is a closer call, though, because of the article from the National Post linked below. If anyone can provide another couple of good, independent sources that specifically speak to notability, I will undelete it without a DRV. Chick Bowen 22:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

=[[Austin Lonestars]]=

~~:{{la|Austin Lonestars}} – (View AfD)(View log)~~

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:

:{{la|Muddy York Rugby Football Club (Toronto)}}

:{{la|Philadelphia Gryphons}}

:{{la|Gotham Knights}}

No 3rd party sources. Should be merged and redirect to International Gay Rugby Association and Board as was what happened to another IGRAB team Malmö Devilants per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malmö Devilants and per discussion regarding Malmö Devilants with closing admin at User_talk:Jreferee#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FMalm.C3.B6_Devilants

Keep all Please note that as nominator of this AfD, I have requested this AfD be withdrawn. However I have been denied that right. I no longer support this AfD as it was based on the fact that if Malmö Devilants were to be deleted, then so should these articles. Malmö Devilants was deleted as the result of its own AfD however it was put up for Deletion Review. After the DRV, Malmö Devilants was un-deleted and so these should stay as well. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 15:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It WAS no consensus to delete Malmö Devilants, whats a lie. A second lie is that it was no 3rd party source, it was 3-party source about Malmö Devilants. Even IGRAB are a third-party source. --81.236.190.174 19:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Question: What are the criteria for playing in Division III of the US Rugby Union? Corvus cornix 20:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Delete Austin Lonestars (rugby)since there is a lack of reliable source material. There is an Austin Lone Stars team that played in the U.S. Interregional Soccer League back in the 1990s, which sometimes is spelled "Austin Lonestars (soccer)." Delete Muddy York Rugby Football Club (Toronto) since there is a lack of reliable source material. Muddy York RFC does have a mention in Matthews, Karen. (May 26, 2006) Canadian Press [http://gay_blog.blogspot.com/2006/05/gay-rugby-players-gather-for.html Gay rugby players gather for tournament named after 9/11 victim.] (republished by [http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060527/NEWS/60527003/1003/news03 Guelph Mercury]). Keep Philadelphia Gryphons since there is enough for a Wikipedia article in Philadelphia City Paper (March 18, 2004) [http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2004-03-11/naked.shtml?print=1 Scrum as You Are; Philadelphia's first gay rugby team is headed for the big game.] Page 45. Keep Gotham Knights since there is an overwhelming amount of reliable source material.[http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,jockbeat,38043,3.html], [http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0425,stahl,54508,1.html], [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5089/is_200410/ai_n18497319], [http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/16/fashion/thursdaystyles/16CODES.html?_r=1&oref=slogin], [http://hisgalfriday.blogspot.com/2005/09/lets-give-heads-up-to-washington.html], [http://idrs2.colorado.edu/PUBIDRS2/DR27.3/DRVol.27.3-SS.pdf], [http://gay_blog.blogspot.com/2006/05/gay-rugby-players-gather-for.html], [http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060527/NEWS/60527003/1003/news03], [http://www.365gay.com/Newscon06/05/052606bingham.htm], [http://outsports.com/local/2006/0621gotham.htm], [http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/09/03/mud_sweat_andcheers_for_rugby/], [http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0639,korman,74561,6.html], [http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNfeq-LlpG1Om83T3XNacNjpQ1zA]. -- Jreferee t/c 23:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletions. —Jreferee t/c 23:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Delete - Austin Lonestars and Muddy York due to lack of info specifically on these clubs (no arguments of notability necessary when the subject lacks possible sourcing). I've found a possible source ([http://www.fabmagazine.com/miscthings/archive/253/]) for Muddy York, but I don't think it establishes any useful info. Keep the other two as Jreferee appears to have shown sufficient sources exists for those. Wouldn't be surprised if these individual teams are eventually written about by independent sources, but they haven't been yet Wickethewok 13:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Keep Source Muddy York: http://muddyyork.ca/Download/NationalPost-2007-02-24.pdf. See National Post.--81.236.190.174 15:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Delete Austin, Muddy as no sources, and Phily as one source in a altativtive weekly newspapers doesn't indicate an article, keep Gotham. Jbeach ^sup 23:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.