Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brock University Students' Union

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There's a valid argument made to merge this, but no particular consensus to do so in this discussion - I would suggest editorial efforts to either elaborate on the notability of this topic or merge it into Brock University. ~ mazca ^talk 22:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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A typical student's union, with no claim of notability. Article reads like the organization's webpage, with detail only of interest to some members. All sources in the article are in-house publications, and no reliable sources can be found by internet searches. Abductive (reasoning) 16:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Delete as no notability is asserted in the article. Aiken ♫ 16:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Delete: no demonstration of any notability beyond that of any university's union. Relevant information should be merged to Brock University, but no need for a redirect. —C.Fred (talk) 16:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Merge: to Brock University. Joe Chill (talk) 00:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep: Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. Would not prudent to merge with Brock University since it is not an arm of the university, but rather a separate, incorporated organization. Furthermore, there are 4 sources not from in-house publications, which is more than most articles found about Students' Unions. Article meets all General notability guidelines:

Significant coverage: All sources link directly to relevant information, and no original research is needed to extract the content information

Reliable: Secondary sources meet the reliable source guideline

Sources:11 Sources on the page

Independent of the subject: 4 Sources included that are works produced by those affiliated with the subject.
--Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

::*Many of your "sources" are 404d, and the rest are the university or the union itself. Abductive (reasoning) 01:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Indeed as a separate entity from the University, it would be silly to merge it there. I do question the reliability of the sources as this "Brock Press" is likely not a secondary source, but it does offer substantial information on the topic. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Every college and university on the planet has one of these. What is special about this one? Abductive (reasoning) 01:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Quoting from Wikipedia's General notability guidelines, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." There are several reliable sources that are independent of the Brock University Students' Union included, some that have been added recently, and more that can be added/are in the process of being added.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 04:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
The sources are not sufficient. Let's look at all 16 of them; [http://www.busu.net/content/docs/policies/constitution.pdf 1. busu.net,] [http://www.brocku.ca/orientation 2. brocku.ca,] [http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1727023 3. St. Catharines Standard article on student move in day,] [http://brocku.studentwise.ca/ 4. the dental plan of which Brock U is a member,] [http://boc.busu.net/services/boc 5. busu.net,] [http://www.busu.net/services/u-pass/u-pass-faqs 6. busu.net,] [http://shinerama.busu.net 7. busu.net,] [http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1204067 8. St. Catharines Standard article on a haircut fundraising event,] [http://www.brocku.ca/campus-security/getting-help/ 9. brocku.ca,] [http://www.busu.net/en/content/First%20Aid%20Responders/index 10. busu.net,] [http://www.busu.net/en/content/clubs/index 11. busu.net,] [http://www.busu.net/en/asset/bylaw/Bylaw%202550.pdf 12. busu.net,] [http://web.archive.org/web/20070811215627/www.ousa.ca/sef/page/id/22.html 13. Ontario Undergraduate Student Alliance (OUSA), of which the BUSU is a member] [http://www.myams.org/society/about-your-ams/233-ousa 14. Queens University Student Union page on OUSA, which mentions that BUSU is also a member,] [http://www.ousa.ca/uploaded_files/pdf_files/Undercurrent/the_undercurrent_vol_5b%281%29.pdf 15. OUSA,] [http://casa.ca/index.php/member-associations.html and 16. the Canadian Alliance of Student Associations, of which BUSU is a member.] So, the only independent source is the newspaper, in which the mentions of the student union are "trivial". Abductive (reasoning) 05:51, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Smerge to the university article. It isn't relevant whether the union is an entity indpendent of the university, it is still clearly associated to the university. Per WP:CLUB, this organisation is local in scope and all coverage is also local (and trivial) in scope. As such, standalone notability is not established. The long list of references is misleading as it is primarily primary sourcing and not the indpendent coverage needed to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Keep the main student organization at a major university is notable, as much as any other first-order major part of it. DGG ( talk ) 23:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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