Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Contrary reports about Adolf Hitler's death

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POV fork of Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Germany. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
• Merge so we follow the WP:Preserve policy. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

:*I would have no problem with a merge if great care was taken that the current balance of Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death -- which is based on the overwhelming consensus of experts that Hitler committed suicide -- is not biased by any material added from this POV fork. That means that the merge can certainly not be carried out by the creator of this article, and must be done in pieces so that editors on Talk:Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death can weigh in. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

::* That makes sense. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

::::Would it be possible to move this out of mainsapce while that's happening?—blindlynx 19:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

:::::My opposition would be that the contrary reports are just that, and are generally not invoked by conspiracy theories that I'm aware of. As it doesn't reproduce much material, I don't think it's actually a fork (having been spun off instead from The Death of Adolf Hitler). Although some of it could be summarized within other articles (such as those for various eyewitnesses), I don't think that’s imperative, with the main point that this article isn't about conspiracy theories; it simply also revolves around discussion of Hitler's death. UpdateNerd (talk) 20:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

::::::Note that the commenter above is the creator of the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)\

• I just want to make it clear as nominator that my preference is deletion, not merger. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Merge with Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death, this is a much longer page, but the two essentially cover similar ground. Mztourist (talk) 08:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

::Much of the lead's second paragraph might be usable in a section summarizing the eyewitness contradictions. Details related to the Soviet disinformation campaign should already be pretty well covered. UpdateNerd (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

:::So you admit that the article you created almost entirely overlaps with a previously existing article. Why, then, did you create it? (I think I already know the answer, but I want to hear what your reasoning was.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

::::I didn't say that. UpdateNerd (talk) 02:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

:::::That's what your comments so far amount to. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:18, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

::::::Although it overlaps with some other articles, no others cover the extensive discrepancies between eyewitnesses. UpdateNerd (talk) 03:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

:::::::You seem to believe that inconsistencies in eyewitness testimony is an indication of something wrong. In fact, there are always inconsistencies between eyewitness accounts. People actually get suspicious when eyewitness testimony is too consistent, because it points to possible collusion. This article is nothing but conspiracy-minded trivia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:08, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

::::::::"Seem to believe", etc. That's your interpretation. The article cites RS & points out how historians explain discrepancies. It's 100% up to the reader if they interpret the conflicting reports otherwise. UpdateNerd (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Delete this WP:POVFORK. jps (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete POV fork created by an editor who has a history of using the Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death article to push the fringe view that Hitler's death was faked. This article appears to be a vehicle to continue this POV pushing, and nothing in it is suitable for merging. Nick-D (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, as an unambiguous POV fork. Anything remotely relevant either belongs in the Death of Adolf Hitler article, or in Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Clear POV-FORK. This discussion should probably be WP:SNOW closed. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Obvious WP:POVFORK. Tercer (talk) 10:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Not just a POV fork, but one with an awkward title that practically screams "conspiracy theory". XOR'easter (talk) 15:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, per WP:POVFORK. A POV fork of both Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death and The Death of Adolf Hitler articles. In fact, much of this article rehashes (in some areas, word-for-word) the content of "The Death of Adolf Hitler" book article, so those parts would not need to be merged. And what is presented otherwise does not need to be merged into either the GA rated Death of Adolf Hitler article or Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death. Those two articles are well RS cited and present sufficient information on their subject matter to the readers. Kierzek (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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