Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Tanner

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Non-notable filmmaker. Claims of notability in the article include "Oscar Nominated and Emmy Award winner for God Sleeps in Rwanda." However, Tanner was only an associate producer and film editor on this project and the project was not nominated for its editing, so its nomination for an Oscar would not have included him (producers and executive producers only get such awards). And, as far as I can tell from searching the Emmys database, the film was never awarded or nominated for an Emmy (and even if it were, this again would not have pertained to Tanner as the associate producer). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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notable filmmaker. I recommend searching the Emmy database again. The film received the Emmy Award for Best Documentary in 2005, as well as being an Academy Award Nominee for Best Documentary Short. And, yes, Craig Tanner did receive an Emmy as associate producer. I have personally seen it, and can upload pictures of it if Wikipedia needs absolute proof of it.Squyres (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

: Comment [http://www.emmyonline.tv/releases/pdf/26thNewsWinnersReleaseFinal.pdf This link] is the press release from the National Television Academy documenting the 26th Annual (2005) News and Documentary Emmy Winners. A search of this document does not find the name "Craig Tanner" or "God Sleeps in Rwanda". [http://www.emmys.com/award_history_search This page] is a search engine on the Primetime Emmy database; it too fails to find the name "Craig Tanner" or "God Sleeps in Rwanda". Would you like to suggest a better search criterion? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

: Comment I know that he got an Emmy for his work for the movie, occasionally they award associate producers if they have contributed substantially to the movie. However, I'm willing to take off the part about Craig Tanner receiving an Emmy until I find a good source for it. Would you take off the request for deletion if I did that?Squyres (talk) 17:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:: Reply Without the Emmy award, Tanner's notability is significantly diminished. If he had actually won the Emmy (and if you can demonstrate that he did), that would bolster his notability and probably cause the article to be retained. You can also bolster the notability of the topic if you can demonstrate significant coverage in independent third party sources, as required by the guidelines of WP:BIO. The only coverage shown so far is a piece in his hometown newspaper, along the lines of "home town boy makes good". Such pieces are very common, but do not go far to establish notability. As a side note, it seems unlikely that God Sleeps in Rwanda would have been nominated for both an Oscar and an Emmy. Oscars are awarded to films released theatrically, whereas Emmys are only awarded to films made for and released to the television market. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

http://www.emmyonline.tv/mediacenter/news_28th_nominees_data_list.html

:: Reply Here are some links to show that the movie indeed was nominated for and won an Emmy. [http://www.cinemawithoutborders.com/news/125/ARTICLE/1361/2007-10-01.html], [http://www.forrealfilms.net/godsleepsinrwanda.html],[http://www.wmm.com/filmcatalog/pages/c681.shtml],[http://www.emmyonline.org/mediacenter/_txt/news_28th_winners.txt], and [http://agnesvarnum.com/2007/09/25/dual-emmys-awarded-for-best-doc/]. Squyres (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

::: Comment Thank you for providing those links. The only one of them that I would consider a reliable source is the press release from the NATAS itself, but that is sufficient to verify that the film did, in fact, win an Emmy. However, Tanner's name is not listed among the production staff in the press release. I suppose that's a minor point. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: the assertion of the Emmy Award seems to be confirmed in reliable sorces... and one might expect national news agencies usully do their homework.[http://www.thedenverchannel.com/family/24023470/detail.html ABC Denver] [http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=12607672 WKRN] Also, the individual is covered in a nice article in [http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20091217/NEWS/912169992 The News-Review] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Delete. The subject himself was not nominated for an Oscar or an Emmy, as far as I can tell, so the claim to notability in this article has not been supported. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - You play in one big league baseball game and you make Wikipedia, but if you're a big league filmmaker who is the subject of an informative article, the torches and pitchforks are gathered. Sufficient career achievement to merit inclusion. Carrite (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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