Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Tolley

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I brought this to AfD because this article is fairly old and I doubt that the author will come back from their half-decade retirement to address the PROD. Letting a PROD expire on an old article with no discussion didn't seem like it would be beneficial to the encyclopedia.

Subject does not appear to be notable under WP:GNG, WP:BIO, or WP:ARTIST.

Searching for coverage is difficult as there was a David Tolley that was an amateur golfer and a rather notable David Tolley who is a musician (although I'm not sure he's notable by WP standards as his fame came mostly from one event where he received a great deal of coverage after being pulled out of the audience to perform on Carson).

A [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22David+Tolley%22&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1014&bih=762&tbm=nws&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=Lhc-UfbyLsTA0QGxuYDIBw&ved=0CBsQpwUoAA Google News search] provides no hits for the subject of this article and in a [https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#q=%22David+Tolley%22&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&ei=Lhc-UfbyLsTA0QGxuYDIBw&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.dmQ&fp=1b191f8d5f382dc4&ion=1&biw=1014&bih=762 Google News Archive search], I could only find [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y8hYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=epMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3176,836905&dq=david-tolley&hl=en one mention] of Tolley (the one in this article) that I wouldn't consider significant coverage in the first 6 pages of results. The article provides [http://www.abc.net.au/arts/adlib/stories/s858458.htm one article] that's an interview with Tolley and the source seems to be reliable, although it's not a particularly notable source (ABC.net.au is not affiliated with American Broadcasting Company).

The subject may be notable but I'm not finding any proof that he has received significant and independent coverage from reliable sources (more than one). I can't find any proof of having released music on a notable label, winning any major award, or having made any major contributions to any of his listed fields. The subject may be notable in the future but doesn't seem to be now. Perhaps someone else will have more luck searching for coverage. OlYeller21^Talktome 17:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• Note - I decided to look into Australia Adlib, the source that published the interview with Tolley. I couldn't find much other than that Jon Rose created the website for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. I'm not sure if that implies anything but I didn't want to downplay the notability or reliability of Australia Adlib because of my lack of knowledge regarding Australian news agencies. Still, my reasoning for nominating the article for AfD hasn't changed at all. OlYeller21^Talktome 18:15, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep. Good coverage in {{Citation | last = Jackson | first = Adrian | author-link = | date = 28 September 1993 | title = David Tolley Returns At Centre Of Fascinating Trio | periodical = The Age }} and {{Citation | last = CAWTHORNE | first = ZELDA | author-link = | date = 29 June 1999 | title = NUDES WITH A SECRET. | periodical = Herald Sun }}. There is also multiple others which don't go into as much depth. (One of his groups, THAT, may also be notable). If the musician you are talking about above is the improv jazz musician then it appears it is the same Tolley, check out his website and see who he works with, it matches up with what you'll find in sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• :I'll start off with addressing that they may be the same person. [http://www.class-acts.com/entertainers/davidtolley/index.htm Here] is the painist Tolley's website where you can see his picture and the video of him performing on Carson where you see that he obviously wasn't born in 1936 as that would have made him 49 years old. [http://davidtolley.net/ Here]'s the website of the synth playing, sculptor David Tolley. I also found [http://davidtolley.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/e280a2dt-bio-new-011.pdf this CV] for the sculptor that shows much but specifically that he's not a pianist from the US.
• :Between your new source and the curriculum vitae I just found, I'll have to reassess my nomination but at any rate, I think it's clear that there is a musician/sculptor named David Tolley who is the subject of this article and pianist David Tolley who is a different person.
• :To help the search, do you have a link for that "David Tolley Returns At Centre Of Fascinating Trio" article? As it was published in a Melbourne paper, I'm guessing it's about the sculptor/musician and the title would imply that it's significant coverage of the subject of this article. Not sure I need to even verify. OlYeller21^Talktome 17:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• ::Yes that's a different musician. My guess was wrong. No I can't give you a link to that article. If you have Factiva access you can see it there. It's about the same guy, details in the article match up to his website. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• :::I'm rather torn. You only provided one that's behind a paywall. Assuming it constitutes significant coverage from an independent and reliable source, the source given in the article is not independent as the writer has worked with the subject of the article. Even if it was independent, we're really scraping the barrel here. I'd probably change my !vote to neutral and could see arguments going either way. OlYeller21^Talktome 02:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
• ::::{{u|duffbeerforme}}, do you have anymore references? If you do, I think we can conclude this discussion rather easily. OlYeller21^Talktome 05:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - for many of the reasons detailed by the nominator. Judging by Tolley's CV and his website, he doesn't claim to have done anything of great note ...in fact he has his fingers in so many pies he may have spread himself too thinly! The article is a one-line stub so can be easily recreated if someone discovers anything compelling offline. Sionk (talk) 21:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete Simple case for such a short stub. Per nom it doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:GNG DavidTTTaylor (talk) 13:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
• Taking into account the two sources I provided that provide indepth coverage of Tolley could you please explain why you think he does not meet WP:GNG? duffbeerforme (talk) 13:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete per Sionk. Johnbod (talk) 18:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 01:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 04:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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• Delete. No sources have been added to the article, and discussion above is not making it clear whether many exist. Ping me on talk if more sources are presented and I may reconsider my vote. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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