Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth "Betty" Roberts

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Remember WENN. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

=[[Elizabeth "Betty" Roberts]]=

:{{la|Elizabeth "Betty" Roberts}} – (View AfDView log{{int:dot-separator}} [http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Elizabeth_%22Betty%22_Roberts Stats])

:({{Find sources|Elizabeth "Betty" Roberts}})

Written in-universe, not many sources to create a substantial third-party article. PROD denied. Cf. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Scott_Sherwood

—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:36, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Keep per the sources found at [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Elizabeth+%22Betty%22+Roberts%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#hl=en&safe=off&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=betty+roberts+WENN&oq=betty+roberts+WENN&gs_l=serp.3...14824.18445.0.18796.18.16.0.2.2.0.144.978.14j2.16.0...0.0...1c.1.T1s5EG3RVMs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c7a269c754ffe184&biw=1540&bih=763 this] Google News archive search. There's no reason this couldn't be solved by regular editing: once the search terms were tweaked to include the series, plenty of apparently non-trivial RS'es come up. Jclemens (talk) 02:46, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Delete per that same google search. That google news search only brings up 19 results, 18 of which are for obituaries, anniversaries, etc. for real individuals named Elizabeth Betty Roberts. The other search result is for the Wikipedia page in question. Other searches also bring up nothing. Seems to me that this has zero notability. Runch (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Keep The major character is an important series. Both factors are relevant, and when they intersect, there should be an article. Sourcing problems are just a question of look for appropriate reviews & it's really more a question of how to arrange the material. Even the nom admits there are some sources. DGG ( talk ) 07:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Redirect to the main Remember WENN article, where a character list is already present. Notability is not inherited, and no matter how notable the show is, the individual characters still need sources specifically showing why they are independantly notable. Thus far, I am finding none that discuss the character in any meaningful way. Once you actually limit the searches to just look for mentions of the character, and not for every real person who was actually named Betty Roberts, there is nothing that talks about the character in depth. There are plenty of articles that mention the character, but these are all in article describing the overall plot and concept of the show, which is hardly the in depth sources we would need in order to create an article that is WP:NOTPLOT. Rorshacma (talk) 17:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Delete per the lack of quality sources. None appear to exist. "There are google hits" isn't the same thing as finding sources, and it's apparent that the only sources that can be found are trivial mentions (obituaries). As to DGG's argument, there is no policy in place to ignore the sourcing requirements based on subjective ideas of "major" and "important". Every claim needs sources, including those. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Redirect to the main Remember WENN article, as per above argument. Bondegezou (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Redirect or delete entirely in-universe plot summary, from the perspective of this particular character. Sources found are lacking in the depth needed to presume notability. Redirecting is technically the way to go, but the article title is awkward with the quotations so deletion would be fine as well. Them From Space 16:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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