Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethiopia men's national under-16 basketball team

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I fail to see how a national under-16 basketball team will possibly meet WP:ORGCRIT and WP:ORGDEPTH. I shall nominate all nine teams listed at :Category:National under-16 basketball teams. Editors who comment on this may also voice an opinion on other age groups, i.e u17 (84 teams), u18 (10 teams), u19 (96 teams), and u20 (11 teams). And then we have 164 national youth women's basketball teams.

:{{la|Greece men's national under-16 basketball team}}

:{{la|Guinea-Bissau national under-16 basketball team}}

:{{la|Italy men's national under-16 basketball team}}

:{{la|Lithuania men's national under-16 and under-17 basketball team}}

:{{la|Serbia men's national under-16 and under-17 basketball team}}

:{{la|Spain national under-16 basketball team}}

:{{la|Tunisia men's national under-16 and under-17 basketball team}}

:{{la|Turkey men's national under-16 and under-17 basketball team}}

But coming back to the first (men's u16) category. Not a single article has sources that are independent and give in-depth coverage. I feel sorry for the editors who will no doubt have put many hours into establishing all these pages. Schwede66 19:12, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment Did you search for sources first for these articles as per WP:BEFORE? Just wondering, as you do not mention it. Dammit_steve (talk) 23:49, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

:*I did a Google News search using the search string "under-16" basketball and what shows up is quite a bit. What the articles cover is about individual stars, and tournaments. Also quite a bit about various US teams (as basketball is big there, but there's no national USA team within the AfD nomination anyway). I haven't seen anything about various national teams beyond routine reporting, with one exception (a [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11809244 report] in The New Zealand Herald about the women's u-16; that's probably biased by Google given that I'm in NZ). Schwede66 23:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

::*I myself did a search of one of the older teams not (yet) nominated that was under sourced, found quite alot in its native language from reliable sources (even found plenty for their U16 team that doesn't have an article). If there are sources about these teams it is probably in their native media rather than in english spoken media. I don't know much about basketball in Africa but it is fairly big in those European countries and if they are having success then it is very well possible that they have some good reliable sources. I just don't speak any of those languages well enough to be of help there... Dammit_steve (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

There are tons of "under-" national teams on Wikipedia, not just in basketball but also in Association Football, Rugby, Volleyball, etc. The "under-" sports teams draw major international attention throughout the world and, in many cases, enjoy significant media coverage. (as stated above) It makes me sad to see how you can jeopardize all these Wikipedia entries just because one user is obviously not so much interested in the topic. Stephreef (talk) 06:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

• Keep Ridiculous nomination. I don't know anything about the Ethiopia youth basketball teams, which only takes the 93rd place in the FIBA World Rankings (http://www.fiba.basketball/rankingboys), however I can tell a lot about the Lithuanian youth national teams (second best teams in the world according to the rankings), which are actively covered by all the major news websites in our country. For example, take a look here: https://www.basketnews.lt/komandos/341-lietuvos-jaunuciu-rinktine/naujienos.html. It is one of the primary basketball-based websites in Lithuania and it includes 16 pages of articles about the Lithuania men's U-16 national team since 2005. Other news websites such as 15min.lt, Delfi.lt, lrytas.lt also comprehensively describes and follows every youth national team performance in the championships. So to sum everything up, I can guarantee that in our country youth national teams are covered almost as good as the Lithuania men's national basketball team and this nomination should be rejected, especially when we are speaking about the Lithuania youth national teams. -- Pofka (talk) 09:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

:*It may well be that some of these articles do meet notability requirements; that's the point of going through an AfD process. As far as I know, basketball is a really big thing in Serbia, so we may hear similar things from those quarters. But that's what it's all about. Schwede66 09:19, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

::*{{reply to|Schwede66}} Exactly. I am not able to read/understand anything in Serbian, but I am completely sure that they have identical comprehensive sources as the Lithuanian ones because basketball is a really big thing for Serbians as well. Other countries which are also worth mentioning could be Latvia (it is like 50/50 basketball and hockey), Turkey (it has one of the strongest national championships in Europe), Spain (possibly strongest national championship in Europe), Greece (similar to Lithuania and Serbia currently mostly due to Olympiacos B.C. and Panathinaikos B.C.), Croatia (still loves basketball due to the glorious Yugoslavia past). Not really sure about France, which has quite good national team and is able to gather almost 30 000 spectators to basketball games, however basketball is probably too overshadowed by football there. -- Pofka (talk) 09:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

• Strong keep per Pofka. Asturkian (talk) 10:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep as above. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:20, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
• Strong keep ...as discussed. I further added some sources to the article about Ethiopia. Shouldn't you check whether the article can be improved rather than be deleted first?? Stephreef (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
• Strong keep per Pofka and Stephreef, for all the teams listed. Ridiculous, time-wasting nomination. I have no interest in basketball, but I routinely look up information on Wikipedia about age-group national teams in soccer. If content like this doesn't belong here -- including less-prominent national teams from non-English-speaking countries -- what does? -- Gpc62 (talk) 17:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep per all above. At the very least, it appears as though some, if not all, of these teams are notable. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - some of these teams are obviously notable. Future nominations should apply WP:BEFORE. Rlendog (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

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