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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fair market

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|style="padding-left:.2em;"| This page is preserved as an archive of the associated article page's "votes for deletion" debate (the forerunner of articles for deletion). Please do not modify this page, nor delete it as an orphaned talk page.

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of a page entitled Fair market.

The result of the debate was to delete the page.

  • "Fair market" appears to be idiosyncratic to Alexander Temal (born 1983) who manages only [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Alexander+Temal%22 6 google hits]. "Fair market" was supposedly invented by Alex in 1999. "Fair market" gets plenty of hits on google, but not for Alex's use, rather as part of common terms like "fair market rents" and "fair market value". This may also fall under "original research", since there is no indication that this been published anywhere. Maximus Rex 21:01, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Rewrite Fair market, delete Alexandre Temal. Note that he was born in 1983. silsor 21:23, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • How are people supposed to rewrite it when the concept appears not to exist? "Fair market value" is "market value" prefixed with the word 'fair' to indicate that the market value is a reasonable estimate. The first 3 pages of google results for "free market" found no theory of fair market (not even Alex's). Perhaps you're confusing it with free market? Maximus Rex 21:28, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • I voted to rewrite because "fair market value" has that meaning to me. If I misunderstood then delete. silsor 21:32, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • If someone with more knowledge of the subject would like clarify, that would be helpful. If there is a valid topic and I'm mistaken then an article about it could be written (but this does not appear to be it). Maximus Rex 00:13, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • I don’t have a problem with the Alexander Temal entry being deleted. It doesn’t have any independent importance. I thought having a link to the mentioned originator might be something to have for the sake of completeness. Although there are not many hits for Alexander Temal, the one defense I will make is that there would probably not have been many for most other anarchist writers if there had been such a thing when they were alive. The name is reasonably well known to at least a thousand anarchists and socialists, and some who have merely been the victim of random literature distribution. But as I said, the article really has no importance and I have no objection to it being removed.
  • As for the Fair Market entry, I do think that has merit. I read the “original research” guideline and I don’t believe this entry is the target of that guideline. It doesn’t propose facts, or at least I attempted to phrase things so that it didn’t. As with many other social and political theories, its proponents have a certain perspective on history and the state of the world, and that was presented. It doesn’t challenge any scientific research or propose any new scientific conclusions.
  • Regarding “fair market rents” and “fair market value”, these are using “market” in a different sense. These instances describe the rents or value being offered for trade at prices they would normally be found at elsewhere in the market. That is, the community of trade. Fair market describes such a community being justly founded, absent of undeserved advantage or disadvantage, without dependence of one market participant on another. It isn’t a fair market something, an estimate of the price it would receive on the market, but a market itself that is fair. Market is used in the same sense as it is in “free market”.
  • Regarding publishing, many other anarchist writers have not been published until recently by major publishers, and then only as historical curiosities. The publishing that took place prior by small publishers and their own publishing houses is equivalent to the printing and distribution by independents that has been done with Temal’s work. Someone noted his age, which seems irrelevant. Many entries discuss people who are not yet dead, and placing any other age related restriction would be arbitrary.
  • The reason there are few results for “fair market” is that it is often mentioned as a component of an encompassing political system. However, the economics are being used outside their political context as an alternative for use within existing democratic and other political models. At least a thousand people are aware of this term. Apologies for the format of this post, feel free to reformat. Exitil 00:32, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Fair market: idiosyncratic to Temal. Delete Alexander Temal: personal promotion. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:34, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • What are you meaning by idiosyncratic aside from the dictionary definition? If you like, I can have one of dozens of other people post the entry if there's something against the guidelines about my posting an entry about my own system. Is there such a guideline? Exitil 00:35, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • The article amounts to an essay which proposes a notion called the "fair market". Apart from the essay, the idea doesn't seem to have any significance; the footnotes on the essay say as much. I think it's a good essay and a worthwhile topic, but Wikipedia exists to document existing ideas and not to expound new ones. You seem to be well informed and articulate; why not help with editing other articles -- economics, history, biography, etc. Wile E. Heresiarch 19:14, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Del Fair market unless it has a significant older meaning; otherwise blank it as an idea still too insignificant to require disamb from the older one; if this idea becomes sufficiently discussed for us to cover, we can write the disamb at that point. (Jerzy)
  • I'm new here, but I dont think disambiguation is the issue. The idea is not a variant of syndicalism, and has important differences that most syndicalists would scream about if they were lumped into the same category as the fair market. It's a legitimate alternative theory.Exitil 03:30, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • The issue is not disamb, but significance: there is no evidence that Fair Market in this sense is significant to more than a handful of people who may be grasping at straws to get their brilliance Discovered. (BTW, are you aware how few people even know what syndicalism is or care what syndicalists scream about? I wear a small sneer of pride just from the fact that my knowledge of syndicalism includes the phenomenon of "criminal syndicalism" statutes. And that Dustbin of history is a more an appopriate redirect to another group.) --Jerzy 21:27, 2004 Jan 18 (UTC)
  • Delete Alexander Temal, non-famous so far.--Jerzy 02:05, 2004 Jan 18 (UTC)
  • I've moved Alexander Temal to the user namespace. The resulting redirect can be deleted. Angela. 18:41, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. the first half is pseudo-historic rant on how capitalism went bad. the second half gives no clear definition of the term past the one that one would guess from the name, which is that of naive communism. Mikkalai 19:39, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

There really should be an article on fair market.It should exist some where.