Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fifth Harmony   (2nd nomination)

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Previous AfD result was redirect, notability issues have not been overcome at this time. Still does not meet WP:NMUSIC. Tgeairn (talk) 00:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

• Redirect As argued before with last year's group Lakoda Rayne (which had a member break up and the usual iTunes single), until they make an album and stay together beyond a year, the redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony should be maintained. Too many junk sources here using fan sites, Twitter responses and copyvio YouTube videos. Nate • (chatter) 06:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect. I favored a redirect the last time around. Since the previous discussion, and after the show ended, some coverage has emerged detailing the group and its activities, so my rationale this time will be a bit longer:

::Dec. 28- [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1699458/fifth-harmony-x-factor-one-direction.jhtml Is Fifth Harmony The New One Direction?] (MTV)

::Jan. 17- [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1700394/cassadee-pope-fifth-harmony-record-deal.jhtml Fifth Harmony got a record deal.] (MTV)

::Feb. 19 [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/x-factors-fifth-harmony-hit-422354 Fith Harmony hits the studio for their first recording sessions] (The Hollywood Reporter)

::Feb. 20 [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1702267/fifth-harmony-album-one-direction-producer.jhtml A day later, they're still "hard at work" in the studio.] (MTV)

::Feb. 27 [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/x-factors-fifth-harmony-covers-424962 Their version of a Frank Ocean tune is uploaded to YouTube.] (The Hollywood Reporter)

::Mar. 4 [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/fifth-harmony-fuse-releas_n_2806237.html They were featured on a Fuse TV segment] (Huffington Post)

:The case for an individual article is stronger now than it was even a month ago, though their post-reality show career still seems a bit too preliminary for my tastes. It's also telling that the "(2013-present)" section of the Fifth Harmony page is only one paragraph (and unsourced, at that). It's a close call, though, because there's definitely coverage in reliable sources for the group, even post-reality show. On the other (other) hand, the sources still identify them as the "X-Factor girl group", so I'm not sure how "separately notable" they've truly become (maybe once a proper single/album is released). Until it's less ambiguous, I think it's reasonable to simply sum up the above coverage in a couple sentences within the group's section of the List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2) page, which is already well-detailed and well-sourced.  Gong show 09:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

• Weak keep would be my first choice. Deleting this would hardly be a grand injustice against world culture or anything, but it seems to me better to wait and see what happens with the album, which is already recorded and apparently has big names attached (like Demi Lovato). Yeah, it's generally not on to keep an article based on things in the future, but it also seems silly to delete or redirect this with the strong possibility of having to re-create in a month or two. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect Not notable enough yet. Unreal7 (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
• Weak Keep at least they have a Teen Choice Award nomination now and some Popdust award (not particularly notable)... the List of X Factor finalists article is also far from being perfectly cited (the {{cn}} inline tags in the article should also apply there), could always use more expansion with citations and people are likely to prefer editing the Fifth Harmony article instead⊾maine12329⊿ talk 12:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to List of popes - As I said in the first AfD, "A wise man once said, 'The Master said, 'If you are to say anything, say, 'babu badaba bobuma babinueax bambino bombo. --Lord Bromblemore 18:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

• Weak keep I'm actually really torn by this decision knowing that they are still not widely known across the world in different countries only on the talent show The X Factor . We might have to keep this up just in case they do release a single or album and go worldwide. However their sources still do not indicate that the girl group have reached full notability to create an article. For that reason alone it should be deleted but there is so much controversy here because sources do indicate many things which is gaining them more coverage since the show ended in December. If it does however get deleted we are risking the chances of it be deleted when they have reached full notice and notability.

::[http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/12/m-x-factor-simon-cowell-compares-fifth-harmony-to-one-direction-says-demi-lovato-wants-to-come-back.html Simon Cowell compares Fifth Harmony to One Direction] December 20, 2012

::[http://www.people.com/people/tablet/article/0,,20665501,00.html Simon Cowell signs Fifth Harmony] January 17, 2013

:: [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/x-factors-fifth-harmony-signs-413118 'X Factor's' Fifth Harmony Signs With Syco Music, Epic Records (Exclusive)] January 17, 2013

:: [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/x-factors-fifth-harmony-hit-422354 'X Factor's' Fifth Harmony Hit the Studio in L.A. for First Sessions] Feburary 19, 2013

:: [http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/02/20/fifth-harmony-spice-girls-album-x-factor/ Fifth Harmony Looking To Become The Next Spice Girls] February 20, 2013

::[http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/02/25/fifth-harmony-demi-lovato-reunite-video/ Fifth Harmony Reunites With Demi Lovato — Watch The Video] February 25, 2013

::[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/x-factors-fifth-harmony-covers-424962 'X Factor's Fifth Harmony Covers Frank Ocean (Video)] February 27, 2013

::[http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/03/04/fifth-harmony-a-day-in-the-life-video/ A day in the life on Fuse] March 4, 2013

::[http://idolator.com/7446015/lana-del-rey-american-fifth-harmony-cover Lana Del Rey’s “American” Covered By Fifth Harmony: Watch] March 11, 2013

::[http://cartermatt.com/52547/the-x-factor-usa-notes-emblem3-astro-and-fifth-harmony-with-a-harlem-shake/ X Factor notes Emblem3, Fifth Harmony and Astro] March 13, 2013

:Going off on what I was saying there is still a lot of coverage to be made by this group so it's all undecided here! These sources are still weak and not strong enough to hold an article which is why I'm leaning more towards the side of it being redirected to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony. Only because this article is poorly sited the sources are not clear and there is way too much confusing on what the article is talking about. For Example Brooke and two members are Latino, Normani Kordei is the only member in the group that's African American and there's too much talk about fan bases and celebrities being tweeted which has nothing to do about how much notice they have achieve outside of the show! Welcometothenewmillennium 22:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. There's enough information on the group to warrant a stand-alone article. An AFD is quite ridiculous.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 23:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony per WP:BLP1E - they still have not gained notability beyond The X Factor so do not require a stand-alone article. If they have an impact on record charts somewhere in the world then they could have an article, but for now, the list entry is fine. –anemoneprojectors– 13:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I just don't know –anemoneprojectors– I mean I agree with you being the fact they are not fully notable have or have gained enough coverage and the article should be redireted to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony but then I disagree with you when you say they have not achieved any coverage or notability actually they have as my links were stating as time goes by they are getting more and more famous then they were when they were formed together on the show. I know for a fact that they are not notable and have gained full coverage but that still does not indicate that the article should be deleted and redirected to List of The X Factor finalists (U.S. season 2)#Fifth Harmony because if it were up to me I would immediately delete the article but its not and we should wait and see what will happen to them in the near future as they are gaining more and more coverage and notability. Welcometothenewmillennium 22:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I just want to give a shout out that Ally Brooke and I are the same age she's 19 years old and so am I she was born July 7, 1993 and I was born October 6, 1993! My next shout out is that I'm gay and always have been ever since I was born and didn't realize till now I'm thankful for what god gave me and appreciate him it feels so good to come out of the closet on Wikipedia because I now feel more proud about myself and who I am as a person. Welcometothenewmillennium 05:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. A steady rumble of coverage in reliable sources since the end of X Factor demonstrates that Fifth Harmony meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Now that they've been [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20665501,00.html signed to Cowell's label] and are [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1702267/fifth-harmony-album-one-direction-producer.jhtml releasing an album], the sources establishing notability will continue to roll in ([http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/fifth-harmony-fuse-releas_n_2806237.html][http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/entertainment/21010028987434/fifth-harmony-hits-the-recording-studio/]) and readers will continue to come to Wikipedia looking for information. In the past 90 days, there have been [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Fifth_Harmony over 100,000 page views] for 'Fifth Harmony'. As it stands, Fifth Harmony meets WP:GNG as well as WP:BAND criteria #1 and they are the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in reliable sources such as those linked by Gongshow and Welcometothenewmillenium. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 04:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. All the top 10 of this season of American Idol season 12 already have articles, and they have much less notability outside the show than Fifth Harmony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodajuice (talk • contribs) 06:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

:: Just because the top 10 of one show have pages doesn't necessarily mean that this page should be kept. ZappaOMati 07:00, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

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