Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grambling "GT All Business" Dominique, Jr.

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:{{la|Grambling "GT All Business" Dominique, Jr.}} ([{{fullurl:Grambling "GT All Business" Dominique, Jr.|wpReason={{urlencode:AfD discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grambling "GT All Business" Dominique, Jr.}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Contested prod. Article has pervasive problems with POV and tone and severe WP:BLP issues. These, of course, aren't reasons to delete. The issue is that there isn't much to the article apart from the issues. The IBC--the organization the subject was allegedly a champion with, isn't a reputable or well-established organization (to my research anyway) and there are little sources to establish even the claims made for the subject in this regard. Movingboxes (talk) 08:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:Edited to add This article was created--and speedily deleted--at least twice before. Movingboxes (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete for failing WP:BIO and WP:RS. Reads like a vanity piece (potential WP:COI?) -- JediLofty ^User_Talk 09:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• User:Goto715-Goto715 I don't believe that this article has violated WP:BIO or WP:RS in any way. Article has historical references and, the claims of the artical or that that can be established. The subject is notable and is infact the former IBC Champ. His fights have all been televised and he's a referenceable subject. My investigation has turned up several sources. I vote against to deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.30.196.196 (talk) 11:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC) {{spa|68.30.196.196}}
• :Comment Just so you know, this isn't a "vote." It's a discussion, where editors are encouraged to apply their knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines to make their case for or against deletion. Movingboxes (talk) 11:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• user:boxxfaxx I am the auther of this article. I take firm objection to the references to my piece. I researched this subject and all the information is accurate. My mistake if it can be call that, is that I allowed the information to be personalized. This artical has all the guidelines stated in Wp:BIO and WP:RS]]. It is by no means a "vanity piece"! I reject that whole heartly! I don't know the subject but I have been to several of his fights, and I personally interviewd him along with 10 plus others for our respective publications. It is my attempt to let as many people as possible aware of this "special man". The accuratcy of this article can be researched and I reject the accusation that this information could not be found by one of the editors "investigation". I believe that you are fair , however, this is information that is correct and should be allowed to remain. Boxx Faxx (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• user:nine hole I hope this is correct. I am a fan of Gt All business Dominique, and i wish to add my say here. I read the artical by MS. van Cruz, and it is wonderful! All the info is true, for once(ha) as far a media sources go and I enjoyed it. You guy's didn't delete Roy Jones artical.It has questionable material as well, and there's even a cluse that appears to on the page to provied more info to his artical. Is it because Gt, is doing some thing in the black community that you find it objectionable? What has Roy or any other boxer besides Vernon Forest done for the community, and still maintained there cel status, and not hidden behind it? Go GT, Go! nine hole 12:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)Nine Hole (talk) 12:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC){{spa|User:Nine Hole}}
• Delete no reliable sources given for this information, none found by searching using real name or nickname. No evidence of substantial coverage in reliable third-party sources. (anyone notice all the keep voters mis-spell article as artical? hmm) -Hunting dog (talk) 12:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• My name is Brian , and i think you should keep it. Where are you guy's looking on the net for information? This guy has to start somewhere, right? ( and yeah, I noticed that too about the article thing!!!!) hey guy's I fixed that for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.94.37 (talk) {{spa|70.8.94.37}}
• Strong Delete aside from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Boxx_Faxx multiple recreations] under different names to evade detection and apparent socking there's no evidence this person is notable. Going to such lengths wouldn't be necessary if he were notable. There's no evidence he his. TravellingCari 13:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:N as, so far as I can see, no reliable source has ever taken notice of the subject of the article. In fact, the fairly unrestrictive search string " "grambling dominique" +boxing" gives [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22grambling+dominique%22+boxing&btnG=Google+Search one of the shortest] results pages I've seen for the subject of a biography. To be fair, a search on variations of the name does reveal a couple of blog hits and the like. However, 0 hits from Boxing News, SI, or Sporting News, or any other reliable source I can find. I'm going to touch up the article a bit to remove the unsourced BLP stuff pending the outcome of this AfD. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:Comment - I removed several unsourced paragraphs, and there's more that needs to be done but I don't have time right now. Thus far I haven't been able to verify the claims contained in the article - for example I removed a paragraph sourced to the Chicago Sun-Times after I failed to locate it in the archives. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - The International Boxing Council is not a major boxing organization, as the nominator and article say. Links are to what appear to be blogs and a MySpace page. Not sufficient for an article. If he has been mentioned in reliable sources, let's see them, because none of us are finding them. Oh, and the blatant sockpuppetry is not helping. Giants2008 (17-14) 16:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:Just noticed this: The Webspawner link in the article for Dominique goes to a user named BoxxFaxx, the same name as the primary author. Looks like we have a potential conflict of interest here. Giants2008 (17-14) 16:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

::In addition, this guy never fought Antonio Tarver as claimed. The external links in the Tarver article show this. Giants2008 (17-14) 16:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Strong delete, completely nonnotable boxer, self-promotional article. NawlinWiki (talk) 19:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - having looked at original text a bit more, I'm starting to think this is more hoax than non-notable. Events described in earlier text would have generated some news coverage, even if the subject wasn't notable, but none can be found on web. -Hunting dog (talk) 20:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Hello, I have followed this discussion with intrest since early today. I'm a boxing fan and I don't have a wikipedia membership. this man Gt Dominique is a boxer. I have seen him fight onseveral occacions. But what i find crazy is that some of your editors are using the information from the net to firm up it's conclusions. I am not taking sides in this matter, however it's clear that your editors have no idea what they are talking about. perhap's you could do just a little more digging. I have verfied the Cleveland Plain Dealer info, Both Detroit and Chicago reported deaths, (check police blotter guys) And the mob issue. Also, the donations to the Chicago Public Schools. Perhaps you could check the info throughly guys, because you know as well as I do that all the info is limited by the net and you know it. By bthe way, Dominique did fight Tarver. Tarver won in split decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.30.163.239 (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC) {{spa|68.30.163.239}}

:Comment unlike Mr Dominique's fights, Tarver's fights seem to be documented in a variety of places, whether these constitute reliable sources or not they have no reason to exclude someone he apparently beat, but they make no mention of the subject of this article. [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=014043&cat=boxer], [http://www.canadastarboxing.com/Fighters/antonio-tarver-record.htm], [http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/tarver.htm] - Sod WP:AGF this is complete WP:BOLLOCKS -Hunting dog (talk) 21:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per Travellingcari and Hunting dog. Probable hoax. GlassCobra 23:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• NOTE TO CLOSING ADMIN independent of likely socking, {{userlinks|Boxx Faxx}} has more than earned a block for this recreating having been final warned in July for creating inappropriate pages. TravellingCari 01:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Gentlemen (and women-smile!), how do I began? I am a fan of this Dominique, and I live in Chicago! GT Dominique, Jr. is a very popular figure in this town at least. He has done more for the kids at risk here then all the so-called "community Leaders" have done combined. This guy is or has some Chicago Mob Connections, what they maybe, I'm not sure, but both the Chicago Trib, and the Sun Times have reported on them. Oh, let me tell you this as well, I remember with sadness when this young man fatally injuried that other fighter here. It was "ALL OVER THE NEWS" for days! Dominique, went to the family of the deceased and apoligized for there loss, and help pay for the furneral. That too was in the papers! That took sand. This kid definitely has balls! I can not say if the author of this article is in fact a fan or not, but "she" as my information has led me to conclude, does have her fact's straight! No , Dominique is not as well known as some of the "BIG NAMES" in this sport, however, he's just as loved. He earned he name in this sport. He did it the ligit way, one fight at a time! Never compermising the game for Mr. King and his followers. When he won the title, this city gave him a parade right down King Drive, up Michigan Avenue to Grant Park. That by the way gentleman was June 4th 2004. The Parade was June 5th, 2005, that Sunday afternoon! Are sports teams are crap, so we hold on to the people who do the business. I strongly reconmend that his article be allowed to remain. Edward J. McCurry, Chicago, Ill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.30.14.29 (talk) 02:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC) {{spa|68.30.14.29}}
• Delete. If Mr. Dominique is a boxing champion, who has been covered in the newspapers, why has he seemingly left no trace of his activities in the [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22grambling+dominique%22+boxing&btnG=Search+Archives Google News Archives]? And if he fought (and lost to) Antonio Tarver in 1998, why would Tarver not list his victory over Dominique on his own [http://www.antonio-tarver.com/ web site]? Whether Dominique is a contributor to the community or not, we can only have an article about him if we can find reliable independent sources that discuss him and his activities. Keep in mind that he is being described as a contemporary professional athlete, active during the Internet era in the United States -- the kind of person that we should be able to find lots of references to on the Internet, if in fact he has achieved what the article claims he has achieved. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above. D.M.N. (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. just not notable at this time. --Forcedtocreateanaccount (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete as a hoax. boxrec.com shows the IBC light heavyweight title pedigree as [http://www.boxrec.com/title_search.php?title=IBC&division=Light+Heavyweight&SUBMIT=Go this]. Furthermore, BoxRec has no record of this fighter having ever existed. caknuck _° is not used to being the voice of reason 19:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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