Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Comics Database

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Every footnote is primary. Other sources consist of a name-drop and two press releases, neither of which are reliable third party coverage. A Google News search found only reprints of a press release, or a couple instances where it was used as a reference (e.g. "According to the Grand Comics Database…"). There's very little to no notability here. Just being name-dropped is not equivalent to notability. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. —Theopolisme (talk) 07:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

:Keep This page is linked from Wikipedia:Book sources under the header "Online databases". Someone thought it was notable enough to put there. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ABook_sources&diff=433455169&oldid=432410639 diff]. --Auric talk 02:00, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

::And where is that on the criteria of WP:GNG? Answer, nowhere. Just because it's a reliable source doesn't mean it's notable. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep There are a few good sources for this. [http://mason.gmu.edu/~mhobbs/hist696/webreview3.htm Holy Hypertext!] looks a little sketchy but seems to be hosted by a university; [http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/entertainment/arts-theater/mcginn-comics-superhero-has-local-ties/nNqkz/ this Springfield News-Sun article] is a fairly detailed profile of the site's creator; and [http://www.gazette.com/articles/spider-23082-site-comics.html this] page from the Colorado Springs Gazette includes the site in a list of Spider-Man related websites. The various references from the Google News search also help to demonstrate the impact this site has had on the comic book community. --Cerebellum (talk) 15:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep Most of the comments on it's notability appear in print -such as Alter-Ego and other comic book consumer magazines, but also in websites (see former Marvel writer Tony Isabella's blog for Feb. 12th). Advanced search on Google tells me that Wikipedia links to the Grand Comics Database website "About 5,770 results". [http://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&as_epq=www.comics.org&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights= link] Sangorshop 21:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangorshop (talk • contribs)
• Keep It is frequently cited by various blogs, commercial comic book retailers, museums, other databases, and other internet sites as their information source. For just a handful of examples, see Mike Grost's [http://mikegrost.com/r2.htm Classic Comic Books], [http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Smallville_%28comic_book%29 Wikia], [http://comics.gocollect.com/item/view/gcin/112123 gocollect], Michigan State University Library's [http://comics.lib.msu.edu/rri/crri/capta41.htm Comic Art Collection], [http://aparofan.blogspot.com/ Aparofan's World of Comics], [http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/superart/Superboy.htm Who Drew Superboy], and [http://stonercomics.com/ Stonercomics]. I would suggest that instead of deleting it, you do the necessary research to add the appropriate second party sources. DonDMilne (talk) 01:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

:*— Sangorshop (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. and — DonDMilne (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. . Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:18, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

• Keep I have cited the GCD in numerous articles submitted to the Greenwood Publishing Group's forthcoming "Comics Through Time" encyclopedia, and the citations were accepted by the editor and source/citation verifiers. See my user page for details. A prior Greenwood publication [http://www.abc-clio.com/product.aspx?id=2147489272 The Encyclopedia of Comic Books and Graphic Novels] includes the GCD in the list of "Selected General Resources" (p 732 in vol 2), so that one is currently verifiable in print and outside of the usual comic fan press. Additionally, Jean Bails, widow of seminal comics researcher Jerry Bails selected the GCD as the custodian of her late husband's "Who's Who" web site and data. Ixat totep (talk) 05:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
• Keep I have been a member and researcher since the mid-90s. It seems that the main concern is that of notability (or lack thereof); would a rewrite of the article to include more secondary links be what's required to "prove" the notability? Admittedly, there are too many primary sources. I have found a number of examples showing that the GCD is often listed as an important site for scholars doing research on comic books (e.g., University sites like Virginia Commonwealth [http://guides.library.vcu.edu/content.php?pid=131560&sid=1128257] and Duke [http://twp.duke.edu/uploads/media_items/comic.original.pdf], writers' resource sites like Internet-Resources [http://www.internet-resources.com/writers/wrlinks-other.htm], comics research sites like ComiChron [http://www.comichron.com/], and the New York Public Library [http://www.nypl.org/node/5628]). Additionally, company editorial records donated to the GCD listing the creators of decades of comics have been incorporated, and major companies such as DC and Marvel have utilized (and credited) the GCD with helping to identify unknown creators of reprinted material so that proper remuneration can be given. Wizardimps (talk) 07:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
• Keep even though the current article needs work. Andrew³²⁷ 17:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
• Keep Thought I believe the article needs to be reworked to include more third-party sources, a search on Amazon.com finds seventeen published books that cite the GCD as a reference or as a research tool, which should satisfy the criterion of notability:

:* 1,000 Comic Books You Must Read by Tony Isabella

:* Comic Art of the United States through 2000, Animation and Cartoons: An International Bibliography by John Lent

:* Graven Images: Religion in Comic Books & Graphic Novels by A. David Lewis, Christine Hoff Kraemer, Douglas Rushkoff and G. Willow Wilson

:* Marvel Comics in the 1960s: An Issue-By-Issue Field Guide to a Pop Culture Phenomenon by Pierre Comtois, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko

:* Silver Age Sci-Fi Companion by Mike W. Barr, Carmine Infantino, Murphy Anderson and Gil Kane

:* All-Star Companion Volume 4 (The Justice Society of America and Related Comics 1938 - 1989) by Roy Thomas, Todd McFarlane and Jerry Ordway

:* The Thunder Agents Companion by Jon B. Cooke

:* An Illustrated History of Trigger: The Lives and Legend of Roy Rogers' Palomino by Leo Pando and Corky Randall

:* The Krypton Companion by Michael Eury

:* Blue-Collar Pop Culture: From NASCAR to Jersey Shore by M. Keith Booker

:* Heroes and Villains: The William Messner-Loebs Benefit Sketchbook by William Messner-Loeb and Clifford Meth

:* A Subject Guide to Quality Web Sites by Paul R. Burden

:* World Wrecker: An Annotated Bibliography of Edmond Hamilton by Richard W. Gombert

:* The Buffyverse Catalog: A Complete Guide to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel in Print, Film, Television, Comics... by Don Macnaughtan

:* Yahoo!: The Ultimate Guide to the Internet by HP Newquist

:* The Phantom Detective Companion by Tom Johnson, Will Murray, Al Tonik and Harold Ward

:* The Image and Role of the Librarian by Linda S. Katz

WaxTadpole (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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