Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gwyn Elfyn

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fails WP:ENT, one role ever [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0253354/]. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. One is better than most people ever do. Per the 5 Pillars and IAR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.255.164.25 (talk) 09:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

: IAR and 5 pillars are not the criteria here. WP:ENT is. LibStar (talk) 00:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep That show has been running for 36 years. The actor has been there since the early 80s. [http://www.southwalesguardian.co.uk/news/5034794.Pobol_y_Cwm_returns_to_Gwendraeth_roots/] There is some news mention of him, he even quoted in that article. Being on a popular long running show for that long, makes you notable. Dream Focus 10:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — Dream Focus 10:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect to Pobol y Cwm. Per WP:ACTOR, an unknown soap opera actor doesn't need his own one-line article. IAR isn't a reason to keep an article. SnottyWong ^squeal 15:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect to Pobol y Cwm. WP:ENTERTAINER requires significant multiple roles. I would consider one role if this was backed up with significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, but the best I can find on GNews is articles about the soap that mention him. I could, however, see a case to create an article about his character which mentions the actor who plays him. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 17:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• delete - Fails WP:ENT completely. Tarc (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect to Pobol y Cwm. The two reference just mention him and it's only one role, so the subject just doesn't have enough notability and therefore fails WP:ENT for a separate article. — Becksguy (talk) 12:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ———— Update: Strike and remove my Delete !vote, and change to Merge. Becksguy (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{tl|Rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron. SnottyWong ^gossip 05:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• NOTE The article under discussion here was tagged for {{tl|Rescue}} by anonymous IP 64.255.164.25 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.255.164.25] in seeking assistance with its improvement. ---- 05:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• Merge as per WP:ENTERTAINER. Wikipedia is not a directory like IMDB. We cover actors in an encyclopedic manner rather than quoting anyone who has ever had a role. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• Delete one episode? The one event is not even notable. S.G.^(GH) _ping! 15:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• :No... not "one episode"... but rather one role in multiple episodes of one series since the 80's. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 15:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
• Redirect stub to Pobol y Cwm... for which the person has his sourcable context.[http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_user_ldate=2002&as_user_hdate=2010&q=%22Gwyn+Elfyn%22+source%3A%22-newswire%22+source%3A%22-wire%22+source%3A%22-presswire%22+source%3A%22-PR%22+source%3A%22-press%22+source%3A%22-release%22+source%3A%22-wikipedia%22&scoring=a&q=%22Gwyn+Elfyn%22+source%3A%22-newswire%22+source%3A%22-wire%22+source%3A%22-presswire%22+source%3A%22-PR%22+source%3A%22-press%22+source%3A%22-release%22+source%3A%22-wikipedia%22&lnav=od&btnG=Go] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 15:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
• Keep: As well as being one of Welsh TV's best-known faces (hardly, as claimed above, "an unknown soap opera actor"!), Elfyn is notable for being the 10th longest-serving actor still appearing in a United Kingdom soap opera. -- Picapica (talk) 17:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:*Essentially you're arguing for criteria #1 of WP:ENTERTAINER to be set aside. Why? 10th-longest seems to be a bit of a stretch. Tarc (talk) 17:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::No, I am not. (No need for me, therefore, to answer the question "Why?"). The guidelines (for that is what they are) included on the page you refer to say "If no criteria can be met..." (not: if one criterion cannot be met). -- Picapica (talk) 13:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Not that it matters much anyway, since barring a miraculous influx of well-reasoned keep opinions, this is going to be merged, but...actually, yes, you are. We have a widely-accepted guideline for this type of situation. This particular article fails all 3, yet you feel it should be kept anyways on the basis of "10th longest-serving actor" being notable. Tarc (talk) 13:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

:*Agree with Tarc. WP:ENT is pretty clear on the first criteria; Multiple notable films is required. And the three references just don't cut the mustard for reliable sources and notability in that they just mention him. Sorry, he's not sufficiently notable, even if he's not unknown. Merge and redirect would be fine. — Becksguy (talk) 09:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Merge (redirect is included in merge, BTW) to the series per the above !votes, per Jclemens (talk) 23:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Merge to his show. The only reason a person would ever look him up is to see if he had done anything else. Finding themselves on the show's page would inform them that he has not. Abductive (reasoning) 03:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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