Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harrison Thomas LaTour

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 05:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

=[[Harrison Thomas LaTour]]=

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The only claims to notability are dubious (e.g. that he is a 'noted' genealogist is just based on being one of dozens of people thanked on someone's self-published web site) or poorly documented (membership in Sons of Confederacy, consisting of generic links, not to specific item), and none of them seem to meet the notability standards for scholars: Google Books turns up no matches that aren't reprints from Wikipedia, Google News nothing. Contains significant material which appears by cites to be original research by synthesis, and a pedigree that is entirely undocumented. Fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:SYNTH, WP:RS and concerns over WP:BLP. I don't see anything here to salvage. Agricolae (talk) 02:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —Agricolae (talk) 02:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Delete. Srnec (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Delete. No substantive claim of notability. Will Beback talk 20:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Lgc2010 (talk) 21:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

This is Harrison Thomas LaTour, a paid genealogist and historian[http://www.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Harrison-L-Thomas/PHOTO/0006photo.html Muskogee Historical Society].

RE: Question

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:08 AM

From: "Gregory Pilcher"

To: harrisonlatour@yahoo.com

Thank you, Harrison, the check will be on its way today. This is really helpful. It shows that my grandfather, and his second wife, Stella Crawford, were living with my great grandmother, Cora Stagg Parrott Long.

I want this information so that I can join the Military Order of the Stars and Bars and, eventually, the Sons of the American Revolution. How do I reference this information to use in my application?

Secondly, can you trace my ancestry through the Stagg line to John Stagg of New York, who was, I am told, an officer in the Revolution? If so would you please do so for me?

Thanks,

Father Gregory

The following pages are pages on wikipedia that was created or edited by Harrison Thomas LaTour and the
[http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kingharry LaTour Genealogical Collection]:

:Several points merit clarification:

:1) It takes more than just being a paid genealogist and historian to meet Wikipedia notability standards. It's not like they are rare, that genealogists don't grow on (family) trees. One must have attracted significant third-party coverage (see WP:BIO). [As an aside not relevant to Wikipedia, what kind of professional genealogist is so indiscreet as to publicly post private correspondence from a client, with their personal email address (which I have munged for their sake) to a public forum?]

:2) It takes more than being a Wikipedia editor or having put your family tree on Rootsweb to meet Wikipedia notability standards.

:3) You are confusing me about something. Are you are saying that you are Harrison Thomas LaTour? It appears to be the case based on the list of pages you say were created or edited by Harrison Thomas LaTour:

:*Lincoln Income Life Insurance Company - created and edited by Lgc2010

:*Anadarko Petroleum Corporation - edited by Lgc2010

:*Bank of America - edited by Lgc2008

:*BOK Financial Corporation - edited by both Lgc2010 and Harrisonlatour

:*George Kaiser - edited by Lgc2010

:*Lee Wilder Thomas - created and edited by Lgc2008

:*Jake Simmons, Jr. - created and edited by Harrisonlatour

:This pattern would seem to suggest that User:Lgc2010, User:Lgc2008 and User:Harrisonlatour are the same individual. Is this in fact the case? Agricolae (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I am Harrison Thomas LaTour. I was not asked to be born Harrison Thomas LaTour, a descendant of a African-Creole Confederate Soldier, but I am. The fact that I am a genealogist and submitted documentation to prove my ancestry to a national organization, the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and they accepted and approved me to become one of the only African-Creole members in the State of Oklahoma is notability.

What makes me any different from Nelson W. Winbush. He was an educator, a retired assistant principal, and a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Surely, he does not have a wikipedia page because he was a educator, but because of his notability as a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

68.15.121.179 (talk) 00:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

:Notability is not established by claims nor deeds nor fascinating irony. It is established by coverage in reliable third party sources. It would appear to be provided to Mr. Winbush via the St. Pete Times article, which if being cited correctly gives substantial coverage, in depth. That being said, "If he deserves a page, so do I" is not a valid argument - perhaps he doesn't deserve one either. The only question is why do you qualify? Please consult WP:BIO for the qualifying details.

:However, you now have a second problem. User:Harrisonlatour, whose edits you have claimed, has been subject to an indefinite block for the past three years. The use of alternative user names to avoid a block is behavior prohibited on Wikipedia. If you feel you have been blocked inappropriately, or that you were appropriately blocked but have repented of the behavior that caused the block to be instituted, then you need to request that block be removed, not simply create a new User account. Unless you have been reinstated, you are not permitted to create or edit pages, and all such pages thus created can be deleted on that basis alone. I have opened an investigation. Agricolae (talk) 00:53, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: SCV Membership

Re: free research request; re: Pierre A. Leufroi, LA

Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:30 AM

From: "Gale Red"

To: harrisonlatour@yahoo.com

Cc: "Terry Wabnitz"

Harrison,

Over a year ago, I researched your Confederate ancestor and sent you an application per your request to join the SCV. Did you ever join, and if so, what camp? If not, is there anything I can do to help that happen? Please get back with me and let me know. Thanks.

Gale Red,

SCV Genealogy Committee

galered@xxxxxx

Leufroy Pierre-Auguste

Friday, November 6, 2009 8:34 PM

From: "Charley Wilson"

To: harrisonlatour@yahoo.com

Sir, I was reading your bio about your Confederate ancestor Leufroy Pierre-Auguste. Interesting for sure.

Are you a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV)? If not, you sure ought to be and we can assist you to join the SCV by and thru the CSA service of your GGG-Gf.

I'm an SCV member and belong to the South Kansas Camp No. 2064 in Wichita, KS.

Regards,

Charley Wilson

Wichita, Kansas

Re: Joining the SCV

Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:57 AM

From: "jrpriddy@xxxxx"

To: harrisonlatour@yahoo.com

Thanks Harrison. I enjoyed speaking with you last night and hope you can make our December 1st meeting.

I'll pass along your ancestor's and family genealogy information to our Edmond Camp Adjutant and State Genealogist.

Best regards,

John

John Priddy, Commander

Oklahoma Division

Sons of Confederate Veterans

jrpriddy@xxxxx

405-330-xxxx

405-808-xxxx

Lgc2010 (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

: Again your purpose in quoting these private communications is unclear. If you mean this as reliable sourcing for your claim to notability, they fail that, being unpublished and not really documenting anything, other than that two people were privately curious about your membership status. It is unclear to me that you understand what this discussion is even about. Agricolae (talk) 23:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

The fact that I am a African-American Creole member of what was once a racist organization is notability. My great-great-great grandfather, a African-American Creole faught for what he believed in. He was a part of history. I owe it to him to make sure that his battle for freedom and liberty was not in vain.

How educational is it for students to learn that Africans faught for the Confederacy during the American Civil War. The Harrison Thomas LaTour page educates and brings use close to who we are as a individual.

68.15.121.179 (talk) 01:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

:First, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this is not how notability works on Wikipedia. Someone is notable, by Wikipedia standards, not because they think they are notable (whatever their reasons) or because their great-great-great-grandfather was notable, but because other people have thought them notable enough to give them independent in depth coverage in published sources known for fact checking (i.e. reliable sources). Second, Wikipedia is not a soapbox. We don't make pages to prove a point or because we owe it to someone. Further, I have to question the perspective that suggests that your Civil War ancestor would have battled for his freedom and liberty in vain if you don't get to have a Wikipedia page until it is merited. Agricolae (talk) 02:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

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