Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haspop

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In the past, consensus has been that participation on a reality show does not, in itself, make a person meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. In this case, I don't see the reliable independent sources to show that this person is well-known beyond his participation in this program. Prod removed by creator without comment or improvement. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:53, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete as per nomination. There are no reliable secondary sources to establish notability of this artist beyond appearing in the the televsion series (and even that was not widely covered outside NBC media). Wikipeterproject (talk) 23:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't Delete - I don't know if this is the right way to comment, but I was looking up Haspop online because I wanted to learn more about him since I think he's an amazing artist, and his Wikipedia page encourages users to comment on his page being flagged for deletion. I hope you will not delete it. Haspop is an excellent and very interesting artist. He has performed with Cirque du Soleil, which in itself is a huge artistic credential. I also want to add that there is something noteworthy simply in that he is one of very few Muslim dance/performance artists active in the US, and certainly one of extremely few Muslim performers advancing so far in a popular-format talent competition. Why delete? Let him stay. Obviously this isn't a direct comparison, but you know, were Van Gogh alive and painting today, he wouldn't make the Wikipedia cut for inclusion, either. Why don't you let Haspop stay and revisit the page in a year's time? Just a real user's 2-cents. Thanks! -Jen H., Malden, MA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.190.121 (talk) 02:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Alas, I often end up neutral when it comes to WP:ONEEVENT. But I'd just like to mention to the above IP that that's not the way Wikipedia works. Consider reading WP:NOTFACEBOOK. Erpert (let's talk about it) 06:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete as it article currently stands. I'm open to changing my mind with introduction of reliable sources plus indications of notability. The IP's (above) comments may be points that indicate some notability if they can be placed in context. Clovis Sangrail (talk) 06:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. There are two things to consider here: (1) whether the individual is notable enough for a stand-alone article, and, (2), whether (if not) his name merits a redirect to the tv show on which he is a semi-finalist. I have a weak keep opinion to the first and a strong keep opinion about the latter. :) First, I'll note that I've altered this article considerably. In addition to cleanup, I've added what reliable sources I can find and taken the source we had inline. I couldn't find much, searching both English and French news sources. But he does seem to have some notability aside from the show (winning championships in hip hop alone and with his group, though sourcing for the former is more dubious than the latter), and his appearance on the show has of course drawn some attention from French press, so it is more widely publicized than NBC media...internationally so. At this point, I think we should retain the content in the article for now and, if there are no firmer indications of notability in reasonable time, redirect it to the competition show. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - while the sources provided are a little thin they establish that he's not notable simply for being on AGT but also as a competitive dancer both individually and as part of a crew. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 18:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

KEEP I was just looking up Haspop and came across this page, I can't believe he is just becoming famous and you wish to delete the page. Fine just delete all of Wikipedia, what is it there for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.28.136.34 (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. In its original version as brought here I would have gone with Delete, and I think the nomination rationale was correct at the time. But I think Moonriddengirl's work has now provided enough to establish more than WP:ONEEVENT notability. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Koblizek (talk) 22:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Some notability but still all related to WP:ONEEVENTCavafox (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. He meets WP:GNG from his performances on America's Got Talent, and I would say that being a member of Cirque du Soleil pushes him just past the ONEEVENT bar. Resolute 04:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep I think this article meets the notability guidelines, but if it is going to be deleted, you should wait to see if he reaches the finals or final stages of competition. If he is a finalist, then this article should be kept. Gamer9832 (talk) 02:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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• Keep Not a BLP1E, as cleanup and sourcing have shown. Improvements and enough else available to support this article remining and being further improved over time and through the couse of regular editing. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

• At the very most it should be redirected to the current season of AGT. No need to delete it. For An Angel (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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