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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamaliya

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep since only the nominator seems to have provided any rationale for deletion. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

=[[Kamaliya]]=

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:({{Find sources|Kamaliya}})

Lack of V and NOR throughout the whole article. Likely to be challenged statements in the second part of the “Movie start career” section not attributed to a reliable source (using inline citations), no NOR. Lack of NPOV, V and NOR in the “Early life section”. Poor writing and lack of V in the “1993-2007” section. Nomination after prod removal by article author. Zhernovoi (talk) 12:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Maksan84 (talk) 12:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Please specify the reasons for this article deletion.Maksan84 (talk) 13:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

NPOV is debatable. Writing will be improved soon. More sources about the movies to be added soon, several contracts has just been signed.

  • Keep, but clean up the article (it could be stubbified, for example, to address the verifiability and neutral point of view concerns). Bad writing is not a reason to delete an article. Filtering out the irrelevant hits re. the eponymous Iraqi neighbourhood, there's still [http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?pz=1&um=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&q=%22kamaliya%22+-iraq+-baghdad+-bagdad+-Bagd%C3%A1&cf=all considerable news coverage] accessible via a Google News archive search - e.g. [http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/46582/ this article from Ukraine], [http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\12\story_12-11-2006_pg13_5 this one from Pakistan calling her a "pop queen"], and [http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL619002-5602,00.html this one from Brazil]. There appear to be [http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.co.uk%2Farchivesearch%3Fq%3D%25D0%259A%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BB%25D1%2596%25D1%258F%26btnG%3DSearch%26um%3D1%26ned%3Duk%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Da&sl=uk&tl=en many more news items written in Ukrainian in the Cyrillic script], which I regret I can't read, but which a Google translation seems to indicate are indeed devoted to the article's subject. I'll admit a little skepticism re. some of the coverage she receives in the Kyiv Post, given that she appears to be [http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/53258/print/ married to its publisher], but I am still seeing enough coverage to merit a keep. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you. I will clean up the article ASAP. Maksan84 (talk) 13:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

::So I may delete the Articles for Deletion notice?Maksan84 (talk) 13:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:::No, sorry. This deletion discussion will go on for one week - though I've said I think the article should be kept, I'm just one user. The Articles for Deletion process (which we're in now) exists to create a consensus on whether an article should stay or be deleted. When the week's up an administrator will review all the comments and determine what the community consensus is. Until then the notice needs to stay on the article. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

::::OKMaksan84 (talk) 13:39, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

  • Added the unreferenced tag to movie star section and ongoing movies — could not find any references for this being NOR. Zhernovoi (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:: User Maksan84 deleted the tag twice. In my opinion, the unreferenced tag was placed properly — the statements about ongoing movie participations are discussable. References needed throughout the whole article! Zhernovoi (talk) 15:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

::: User Zhernovoi keeps on placing the tag in the section full of references. How many tags more does he need? Maksan84 (talk) 15:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:::: The removed tag was targeting the following text: “This year the actress and singer will head to Hollywood to play the leading role in the new "The Accident" movie by Kalus Menzel. Kamaliya has also signed contract in Cannes for the romantic comedy "Legal Affairs" by Gabriela Tscherniak. Shooting in NY will start in October 2010”. There is no reference present to confirm this fact. Please, pay attention to the place where a tag is being placed. Zhernovoi (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

  • The NPOV is discussable. Author seems to be in formal relationship with the subject. Zhernovoi (talk) 15:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Zhernovoi must be kidding. "Seems" is not an argument. Maksan84 (talk) 15:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I have a suspicion that user Zhernovoi has some prejudices against Kamaliya. His changes were made right after a large number of people tried to troll her blog http://kamaliya-zahoor.livejournal.com/14786.html, guided from the ragu.li web site. Maksan84 (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete. Comment. The discussed article is mostly based on original research. Author refuses to avoid sections, where no references are present to confirm the statements. NPOV is discussable, as the authors actions on dealing with deleting discussion are based on interpersonal issues of the subject itself, and, therefore, author is taking a specific point of view, missing the neutrality point. Author is not accepting the guidelines for citation and V of the content and deleting properly placed notice tags to help him fulfill the wikipedia policies. Zhernovoi (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:({{Find sources|Камалія Захур}})

:({{Find sources|Камалия Захур}})

  • Keep Comment I have never heard of this individual before today, and yes the article needs cleanup and sourcing, but such appears to be do-able, even with "only" English sources.[http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_user_ldate=2005&as_user_hdate=2010&q=%22Kamaliya%22+source%3A%22-newswire%22+source%3A%22-wire%22+source%3A%22-presswire%22+source%3A%22-PR%22+source%3A%22-press%22+source%3A%22-release%22+source%3A%22-wikipedia%22&scoring=a&q=%22Kamaliya%22+source%3A%22-newswire%22+source%3A%22-wire%22+source%3A%22-presswire%22+source%3A%22-PR%22+source%3A%22-press%22+source%3A%22-release%22+source%3A%22-wikipedia%22&lnav=od&btnG=Go] For further expansion and sourcing, it is hoped that Ukrainian-reading Wikipedians will look through [http://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%96%D1%8F+%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%83%D1%80%22&num=50 these], and that Russian-reading Wikipedians will look through [http://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F+%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%83%D1%80%22&num=50 these]. Yes, while lacking sources is always a concern for a BLP, that there are so many so readily avaialable is a reason to put them in ASAP. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
  • I have begun some of the much-needed copyedit. With so much with which to work, I'll begin some sourcing. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep per Gonzonoir. There appear to be sources to establish notability. The fact that she was Miss World 2008 is quite notable in and of itself. I would, however, recommend moving the article to the subject's full name: Kamaliya Zahoor. This can be done after the AfD closes, assuming the article isn't deleted. User:Snottywong talk 02:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

:({{Find sources|Kamalia}})

:({{Find sources|Natalya Shmarenkova}})

:({{Find sources|Natalia Shmarenkova}})

:({{Find sources|Наталья Шмаренкова}})

:({{Find sources|Kamaliya Zahoor}})

  • Keep The article says "Kamaliya has won Mrs. World international pageant". Sounds like a notable award/accomplishment to me. And you can't win something like that without plenty of news coverage. Plus Google news shows her for other reasons as well. Dream Focus 22:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.