Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leonid Efros

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claim to notability not in source given. and did he paint her, or was he present when she was painted, as the article says presently? does that make him notable? Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - the claim that he painted and drew members of the British royal family is verifiable and I fail to believe any old artist would be allowed at short notice into the royal residences. It's likely from the sources (and stated on his website) that his work is held by more than one important Russian art gallery, which would be a criteria for meeting WP:ARTIST. Because he is Russian and the main events took place pre-internet, other sources will be more difficult to locate (though likely to exist) so my view is we should give the benefit of the doubt and seek to improve the article. Sionk (talk) 13:26, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 14:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Weak keep Unlike his collaborator :Alexei Maximov, the subject has no article on the Russian Wikipedia, just a redlink from a surname index. I have't located more on him, but what is in the article and verified by references is maybe just enough. AllyD (talk) 14:44, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - He painted them, he was not just "present" whilst the painting occurred. Jeremy112233 (talk) 19:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

:Then the article needs to say exactly that, which it doesn't didn't before other editors came and cleaned it up.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

::Actually, he didn't paint them, he made some drawings to be used later for his enamel pictures. It was fair enough to take it to AfD and, as a result, the issues have been clarified and improved. Sionk (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• Keep According to his website,[http://www.efros.podolsk-news.ru/] his works are in the collections (WP:ARTIST #4):

::*Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain Elizabeth II. Buckingham Palace. London,

::*Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. Claren House. London,

::*Princess Anne. Buckingham Palace. London,

::*State Museum-Preserve "The Moscow Kremlin"

::*State Historical Museum. Moscow,

::*State Museum of Oriental Art. Moscow,

::*State Museum of Leo Tolstoy. Moscow,

::*Museum-panorama "Battle of Borodino". Moscow,

::*Zagorski Art and History Museum,

::*Museum "Peter and Paul Fortress." St. Petersburg,

::*In private collections in the UK, France, Germany, the U.S., Israel, Japan, and Australia.

:The Russian Wikipedia deleted an article for this artist, but it was a Speedy based on a copyvio of the above podolsk-news.ru source.[https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%AD%D1%84%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81&action=edit&redlink=1] Since we can verify at least some of these collections are true (Queen Mother, State Museum) it's reasonable to assume the others have some truth and it would be better to err on the side of Keep. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

::Given that it has been sufficiently improved to make him a participant and not some bystander, I withdraw the nom.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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