Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Marie Abato

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Single.Source not enough for GNG and fails ENT. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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• Keep - You mean two different sources? The Los Angeles Times and Los Angeles Daily News (which the Chicago Tribune republished. Plus [https://books.google.com/books?id=JnU8AQAAIAAJ&q=%22Holly+Ryder+Commission%22&dq=%22Holly+Ryder+Commission%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHtrz32c7iAhUEPa0KHUT7AqkQ6AEILDAB][https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/12/27/Ex-porn-star-leads-anti-porn-initiative/3218756968400/] It's too bad that linkrot exists and we can expand on whatever happened to that campaign. Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

::More evidence that there were more than one source writing about her. [https://rsvpamerica.org/media/documents/protecting_women_and_children/Former%20Porn%20Star%20Strikes%20at%20Industry_K.L.%20Billingsley_Jan.%2016,%201994_The%20Washington%20Times.pdf] Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

:::You are joking. The only biographical information in the second source, which is very short is "Ryder, whose real name is Lisa Maria Abata, had starred in more than 200 triple-X movies before forming the commission." That's clearly not enough to count the source towards notability. Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:44, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

::::Third source is .also short as is mostly quotations so.not independant. Frankly all the coverage is her foundation and that's probably where any article should be. Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Keep per my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holly Ryder. "Under her legal name, Lisa Marie Abato," "Ryder" was one of the best-known anti-porn activists in the U.S. Abato and her activities were covered in major media outlets like the Chicago Tribune[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-09-21/features/9309210092_1_abato-adult-entertainment-runaway] and the Los Angeles Times[http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-19/news/we-25391_1_adult-film-industry], commented on in The New York Times[http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/28/opinion/observer-childish-questions.html], discussed in the State Bar of California's official journal [http://books.google.com/books?id=JnU8AQAAIAAJ&q=%22lisa+marie+abato%22&dq=%22lisa+marie+abato%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xoYLVLTvLoKtyATamIDgCA&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ], and cited in social science books [http://books.google.com/books?id=xn9L5muYHDIC&q=%22lisa+marie+abato%22&dq=%22lisa+marie+abato%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xoYLVLTvLoKtyATamIDgCA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg]. Newsbank search also turns up coverage in, inter alia, the San Francisco Examiner, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Washington Times, the Boston Herald, the Tampa Tribune, the Sacramento Bee and others. Not notable as a porn performer, but clears the GNG by a significant margin." The consensus at that AFD to keep, rename, and redirect was sound. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

• Strong Keep per the significant secondary source coverage in major news found by Hullaballoo. Subject is a significant anti-porn activist. As a former actress in adult film the subject's notability is not from that period in life. The diminished PORNBIO policy does not apply here Lubbad85 (☎) 19:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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