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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Amstrad CPC games

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, default action is keep. Babajobu 04:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

: Closing admin's rationale, in response to query: AfD is about whether a particular topic is appropriate for Wikipedia and not about the current state of the article. If there are excessive redlinks or inappropriate bluelinks, or if the article is incomplete, these are content issues that can be remedied through normal editing processes outside AfD. In determining whether an article topic is suitable for Wikipedia, the closing admin's responsibility is to determine whether there is consensus on the issue, rather than to decide which side is right. Rationales contrary to Wikipedia policy should not be viewed as contributing to the consensus, and certain egregious flaws in an article (e.g., copyvio) trump consensus, but I don't really see that here: for the most part the debate seemed to be about whether or not this list served a function separate from that of a category. I saw no consensus on this issue (certainly no supermajority) so I closed it as a "no consensus". You can request that the decision be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review, if you like. Hope this helps!

=[[List of Amstrad CPC games]]=

Delete - the category Amstrad CPC games should be used instead, and contains many more entries than this article. Cpc464 02:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep. I once believed in deleting lists because of existing categories, but I've learned from my mistakes. The importance of lists in this situation is to allow red links; categories cannot display red links. -- Wikipedical 02:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete disagree entirely with the redlinks argument, per WP style guidelines: "What should not be linked: Subsidiary topics that result in redlinks (links that go nowhere), such as the titles of book chapters and the songs on albums, unless you're prepared to promptly turn those links into real ones yourself by writing the articles. It's usually better to resist linking these items until you get around to writing an article on each one." This is the reason why a cleanup tag for redlinks exists and right now this page has far too many - the list vs. category argument is a valid one but ONLY if there is additional information in a list that wouldn't be found in a category - this is simply "links" (i.e. what would usually be held in a category), hence another clear contravention of the WP style guide. ++Deiz 02:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

:*Additional - Many of the pages that are bluelinks here are not aimed at articles about the games they describe (presumably because such articles don't exist), simply the main page of that name... e.g "1942", "The Addams Family", "Anarchy", "The A-Team" to name a few... So there would be even more redlinks here if someone was prepared to go through this listcruftian disaster of mis-links and sort it out. The list is also incredibly incomplete, featuring only games beginning with numbers and A, B, I, U, V, W, X, Y and Z. Now that's Serious Listcruft. ++Deiz 03:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

::It's a project, I'll admit, but I'd rather wait for someone to update this page than to just delete it entirely. -- Wikipedical 03:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

  • keep ILovePlankton 02:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC) This member has been a contributing editor of Wikipedia for less than 24 hours
  • Delete let's go with the category per nom Ruby 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete- as noted, there's no reason whatsoever to keep this when there is already a category doing a superior job. Reyk 07:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Lists and Categories do entirely seperate jobs and should both be kept. Jcuk 10:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a verifiable list, of potentially great use. Tell me why not to keep, and I may change, but so far all reasons given seem to be frivolous or petty. None are in the Deletion Policy. Batmanand 15:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

:*Lists and categories do entirely separate jobs when there is information in the list that wouldn't be found in a category. When an incomplete list exists as a massive repository of a) redlinks and b) misdirected blue links, without significant supplementary information (the name of the software company that produced the game is a start but not much of one) it doesn't belong on WP. If you can't see that you aren't reading the policies correctly. Anybody who is voting to "keep" this list is presumably personally guaranteeing that they will undertake work to bring this list in line with WP policy (see WP style guide above). I don't see any evidence of that yet. ++Deiz 16:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. It is redundant to a category, because the games that don't and probably won't have articles on it do not have them for a very good reason: they are utterly non-notable. Full of redlinks. Stifle 12:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.