Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike "Clay" Stone
=[[Mike "Clay" Stone]]=
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This person fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. There is no substantial coverage of this individual among reliable sources; currently the biography hangs on allmusic.com and one passing mention in a 400-page book. Some coverage is available in sources that are less than reliable for biographic content; otherwise coverage is mostly in the form of liner notes. This individual worked with notable groups and on notable albums, but his contribution as producer is unclear because of the paucity of coverage. Generally, producers don't WP:INHERIT the notability of the albums and artists, but may be notable when the producers themselves are substantially covered in press incidental to commercial success. JFHJr (㊟) 19:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm incline towards keep based on his role in the Queen albums, for which there is a fair amount of coverage around, including stating that he sang on one of their singles. One of those cases where it's difficult to demonstrate that someone 'notable' in the real world is 'notable' in Wikipedia terms. Coverage: [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3ThgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MHANAAAAIBAJ&pg=4961,1559257&dq=mike-stone+producer+queen&hl=en], [http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/blogcritics/article/Music-DVD-Review-Classic-Albums-Queen-A-Night-882380.php], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4CMEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=%22mike+stone%22+producer+queen&source=bl&ots=kpd0XhnuTI&sig=K3cQkYeKZoSB7lvWmuDnkZnb8vs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Md5QUL7JH6if0QXZ3YD4Dw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22mike%20stone%22%20producer%20queen&f=false], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pqtGTJgE4rEC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=%22mike+stone%22+producer+queen&source=bl&ots=IeGL8MSQgs&sig=eITkEcD1jOfmQ6rFqTW7zWhMWNo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Md5QUL7JH6if0QXZ3YD4Dw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22mike%20stone%22%20producer%20queen&f=false], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1SQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT132&lpg=PT132&dq=%22mike+stone%22+producer+queen&source=bl&ots=e11axBLFnH&sig=n_X2g7GxFPKThacKPtQ3CNa_NBE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Md5QUL7JH6if0QXZ3YD4Dw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22mike%20stone%22%20producer%20queen&f=false], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BCeTqWXP6eoC&pg=PT51&lpg=PT51&dq=%22mike+stone%22+producer+queen&source=bl&ots=8cxYc_cMgr&sig=EM53joqxGj6mTHSWPvz7DDmjmp8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Md5QUL7JH6if0QXZ3YD4Dw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22mike%20stone%22%20producer%20queen&f=false], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3ZMQXF9O8x0C&pg=PT207&lpg=PT207&dq=%22mike+stone%22+producer+queen&source=bl&ots=Jhcdus6UcG&sig=H79CGkDh23JZ0YPOHlc7sVHLaeU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Md5QUL7JH6if0QXZ3YD4Dw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22mike%20stone%22%20producer%20queen&f=false]. Perhaps not enough to satisfy WP:GNG but the GNG isn't the be all and end all. --Michig (talk) 19:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
:*Comment — I see zero coverage substantially about Stone. The above links are all passing mention of Stone, including where Stone himself talks about other notable topics, and [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BCeTqWXP6eoC&pg=PT51&lpg=PT51&&dq=%22stone%22 this one in particular] indicates his contribution to the single consisted of a single verse. WP:GNG is just one threshold, but the sources in aggregate do not provide enough coverage to base an encyclopedic biography. Certainly, this individual could be mentioned on respective band and album articles. JFHJr (㊟) 21:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Phil: I am not of course not an expert but I would consider producing 34 albums worth a wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Albums_produced_by_Mike_Stone) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.218.122 (talk) 23:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 14:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Weak delete Impressive credentials, but not seeing enough depth of coverage to meet notability criteria. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:39, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 14:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
- Keep – I agree with Michig's comment and I was also able to find more coverage. I have added two sources to the article just now. Unfortunately I cannot access the full text of the Rocky Mountain News article, but it appears to be about him. Does anyone else have access to that? (It comes up with searching {{xt|"mike stone" journey queen producer}} in my library's database.) The article in the Daily News (New Zealand) following Stone's death refers to other news reports of Stone's death, so there appears to be other coverage that has also been hard to find. He was clearly an extremely successful record producer of 1980s rock music, but it could well be that coverage is difficult to find simply because much of it would be in the 1980s. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 23:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
- Keep - He produced a lot of albums it seems and I mean more than most producers. I'm sure plenty of people would be quite informed by reading the article and it's notable for sure. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 03:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
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