Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minimi (Rapper)

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Non-notable entertainer, all links used are to social media, nothing found outside of these either. Not meeting GNG or MUSIC. Oaktree b (talk) 23:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 23:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Assam. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. I disagree with you. He is quite popular in Northeast India and has performed in many shows across Assam and the Northeast region. He has worked with popular singers like Zubeen Garg, Kaysee, and Deeplina deka. However, I recommend adding more references to the article to support these claims. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 02:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:GNG as all sources are unreliable. I couldn't find any suitable sources to add to the article either. {{ping|Thesaurabhsaha}} I recommend reading Wikipedia's core notability policies WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. JML1148 (talk) 01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Sorry for the interruption, but I have mentioned some reliable references for the article below, which are already mentioned in the article "Minimi (Rapper)."
• :*[https://www.hindustantimes.com/lifestyle/art-culture/rapping-in-regional-languages-young-indian-voices-find-expression-in-hip-hop-tackling-topics-from-sexuality-to-village-life-indianhiphop-regionalrap-101682689974344-amp.html Hindustan Times] - Hindustan Times is one of the largest English-language daily newspapers in India. It has a reputation for providing reliable and credible news to its readers.
• :*[https://assamtribune.com/three-day-rongali-bihu-festival-gets-under-way Assam Tribune] - Assam Tribune is a widely circulated English-language daily newspaper in the state of Assam, India. Established in 1939, it has a long history of providing news and information to the people of Assam and the Northeast region.
• :*[https://www.eastmojo.com/news/2020/12/12/songs-of-protest-a-re-look-at-5-caa-songs-that-became-viral/ East Mojo] - East Mojo is a digital news platform that focuses on providing news and information from the Northeast region of India.

:Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 07:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

::The sources are reliable, but they are only trivial mentions of this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

:::No, it's not a trivial mention in Hindustan Times. The article on Hindustan Times has more than 3-4 paragraphs on Minimi (Alternate name: Minimi NL/ Real Name: Nilotpal Lahkar). So, I think you should close the AFD request. In the meantime, I will add more references to the article as soon as I find them on the internet. Thank you. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 06:12, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

::::The link you used for the Hindustan Times is one sentence and a few photos. It looks like a badly formatted mobile version of the article, can you provide a better link? Oaktree b (talk) 13:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

:::::The Assam Times mentions him appearing at a festival and the Mojo is a link to a youtube song and one sentence underneath, these are both trivial coverages. Useful, but not helping notability here. We need more then a mention of him; even if the Hindustan Times article is fine, it's only one article. You'll need a few more of that length, IF it's useful in the first place.Oaktree b (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

::::::Sure, here the article without any paywall. [https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Flifestyle%2Fart-culture%2Frapping-in-regional-languages-young-indian-voices-find-expression-in-hip-hop-tackling-topics-from-sexuality-to-village-life-indianhiphop-regionalrap-101682689974344-amp.html Hindustan Times]. Ps: I am aware of the copyright status of the newspaper and I am not promoting the use of third-party apps to bypass the paywall. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::That is better, he's mentioned in the bottom third of the article, but then it seems to disappear again/the article blanks out. I'll give that as one RS. Oaktree b (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Here, I am mentioning two additional articles from popular and reliable sources. Minimi serves as the primary subject of the articles. Both articles are written in Assamese. So, i would recommend you to use Google Translate to read them.

:By the way, East Mojo has dedicated a paragraph to him and his song "Bangladeshi," which gained popularity during the Anti-CAA Movement, in Assam. The song sparked controversy throughout the state, prompting the authorities to initially ban it from streaming or public play. However, as tensions subsided, the ban on the song was eventually lifted.

::[https://assamtimespost.in/?p=50803 Assam Times Post] - Assam Times is an online news portal that focuses on providing news and updates related to the state of Assam in India. It covers a wide range of topics including politics, current affairs, sports, entertainment, and culture.

::[https://rupaliparda.com/archives/20905 Rupali Parda] - Rupali Parda is an online entertainment portal that provides news, reviews, and updates on Jollywood films (Assamese films), celebrities, and the jollywood entertainment industry.

:Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 11:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Keep (article creator). Hindustan Times, East Mojo and other sources seem enough to establish notability. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 13:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. No real SIGCOV from a high-quality RS on the subject - if the major Indian papers don't want to do a full piece on him (i.e. SIGCOV), then why would Wikipedia consider him notable? Aszx5000 (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
• :* Comment. Even if major Indian papers may not have covered someone extensively, there might be other local reliable sources that establish their notability in a different context, such as News website, Entertainment Portal. Why can't local language newspapers be acceptable as sources on Wikipedia if they meet the criteria of reliable sources? Wikipedia's guidelines emphasize the use of reliable sources in any language, including local languages. We should consider The Assam Tribune, East Mojo and Rupali Parda along with Hindustan Times as reliable sources. All of them are used in many articles related to Assam. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 08:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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:::*The issue Thesaurabhsaha is that in most of these RS, the article is not about Minimi, but about another topic that happens to mention Minimi participating. The best RS so far is the Hindustan Times which seems to be about several artists, of which Minmi is profiled at the end. However, you have not been able to present +2 RS with a full article about Minimi (per SIGCOV). Therefore, if no decent paper in India wants to do a full article on Minimi, why would Wikipedia consider him notable? Aszx5000 (talk) 09:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

:::*:* Here are 2 RS with a full article about Minimi (as per SIGCOV), [https://rupaliparda.com/archives/20905 Rupali Parda] and [https://assamtimespost.in/?p=50803 Assam Times Post]. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 14:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::* I wouldn't regard the [https://rupaliparda.com/archives/20905 Rupali Parda] as an RS (although it is good coverage). I also think the [https://assamtimespost.in/?p=50803 Assam Times Post] is also not really an RS. Did The Assam Tribune (which I think is an RS) ever do an article on him, or other notable papers in Assam? Aszx5000 (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::*:Your personal opinion does not hold significance in determining a reliable source on English Wikipedia. Rupali Parda and East Mojo have already been used as reliable sources in numerous articles.

 

Furthermore, Assam Times Post and Rupali Parda have published articles on the subject. In essence, Rupali Parda can be considered as the "Bollywood Hungama" for Assamese Film Industry aka Jollywod.Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 17:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::::* You are right, I don't, but you need to convince the community at AfD that they are RS quality, and I don't think that will happen. I would rather search for better RS on the person and solve it that way. Even if this BLP managed to get through AfD with these refs, it would be renominated soon again. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: Article subject doesn't appear to pass WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. While there are a number of sources uses, a chunk of them are unreliable while others just include passing mentions. I don't believe WP:SIGCOV has been met in this case. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: According to the Point 10 of WP:MUSICBIO, Anyone who has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, or inclusion on a notable compilation album is eligible for WP:GNG.

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:He has worked in Kaaneen - A Secret Search movie, which itself a notable film, and won the Silver Camera Award at 2nd Guwahati International Film Festival 2018.¹

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:The sources mentioned in the above article, namely Hindustan Times, East Mojo, Rupali Parda, Assam Times Post, and others, also appear to be sufficient in establishing notability. All of them have a reputation for providing reliable and credible news to their readers.

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• [https://www.apnnews.com/2nd-guwahati-international-film-festival-2018-successfully-concludes-the-closing-ceremony-and-the-awards/?amp=1 Guwahati International Film Festival 2018] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesaurabhsaha (talk • contribs) 02:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• :I have struck your 2nd !vote User: Thesaurabhsaha, you may only !vote once at AfD. Aszx5000 (talk) 07:58, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. No real RS here to support GNG. The BLP's creator, User:Thesaurabhsaha, has tried as best they could, but there is nothing here (including the latest refs presented above), and if it wasn't deleted now, it would be sent straight back to AfD. Perhaps, the notability of the subject will improve over time, and at least Thesaurabhsaha has gotten a better understanding of what is needed for GNG. Aszx5000 (talk) 08:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Keep: He is a popular rapper singer from Assam in the North East (India). -Kuldhar Rabha (talk) 14:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• :Are you going to provide any references to support that? AfD is not a vote. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• ::See WP:ATA. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• :::Read with [https://assamtimespost-in.translate.goog/?p=50803&_x_tr_sl=as&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true Google translator]. -Kuldhar Rabha (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
• ::::All the above refs presented have been translated with Google where required. Aszx5000 (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
• :::::If you have new refs, in any language, you can present them here. Aszx5000 (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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