Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohio's 11th congressional district special election, 2008

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Contested prod. Violates WP:CRYSTAL as there are no sources stating a special election will take place. --Clubjuggle ^T/C 13:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delay. I suggest waiting a little while. It won't take long for the Ohio Governor to announce if/when a special election will be held.—Markles 13:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC) (I changed my mind. See my "Delete" below.—Markles 18:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC))

:*Comment. The delay should have been in creating the article, I would think. Wikipedia doesn't have a deadline, and we're not here to "scoop" anyone, so why not wait until an actual announcement is made before creating it? --Clubjuggle ^T/C 13:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - which I would have done myself (perhaps controversially, I admit) if I had seen this article. Pure conjecture, and at any rate, it's premature. I disagree with any delay; we are NOT in the business of predictions by any stretch of the imagination. It's hard enough for us to keep up with things that actually are verifiable.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  13:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. This is an event that is not certain to happen. An article should be created when and if the governor declares an election. • Gene93k (talk) 13:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Source dealing with special election: [http://www.politickeroh.com/officials-examining-options-fill-tubbs-jones-seat-special-election-likely Officials examining options to fill Tubbs Jones’ seat, special election likely]. Is it a crystal ball to ask for just a few days to consider?—Markles 13:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:*Right. I found that source, and it just speculates that a special election is "likely" and that the governor is studying the law to review the options. If Governor Strickland doesn't know what will happen, why do we think we do? --Clubjuggle ^T/C 13:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - I think that the nature of AfD discussions is such that the delay requested above is more or less built in, unless somebody decides to CSD as a result of this discussion. If a decision hasn't been reached by the 4 or 5 days these discussions usually stay open, that would be a default delete, in my opinion. If a decision has been reached, then this discussion would de facto be decided.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  13:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:*True, but I'm kind of expecting a snowball result here. --Clubjuggle ^T/C 14:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

::*I hope so. This article is precisely what Wikipedia is not.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  15:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Recreate if election is declared. -- _{Escape Artist Swyer} ^{Talk to me} _{The mess I've made} 14:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This can be recreated if a special election is ordered. The content right now would not seem particularly useful towards that article, it's all speculation. --Rividian (talk) 14:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete' Article can be restored/recreated if election is officially announced. Until then, it fails WP:CRYSTAL. RC-0722 ^361.0/1 23:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete It's not necesarily going to happen... wait for a citable source.--Dr who1975 (talk) 04:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: This report cites the legal requirement that a special election be held: [http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1219393925306960.xml&coll=2 "Special elections needed to pick interim successor to Stephanie Tubbs Jones"].—Markles 14:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

:*Yes, I put that in the article because it seemed relevant, however...I'm pretty sure we're still in WP:CRYSTAL and/or WP:OR territory here. It's not for us to decide if that court case applies here or not, even though it does look like it to me...we need sources.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  14:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

:*Reply to comment. Attempting to interpret the law and predict future actions by reading court cases, while well-intended, is the very definition of original research. Until the reliable sources says there will be a special election, we cannot say that on Wikipedia, no matter how much our own research, or even the reliable sources, say that there should be such an election. --Clubjuggle ^T/C 16:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. It can always be recreated if the election is called. Violates WP:CRYSTAL. —Markles 18:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Request Can someone WP:SNOW this? --Clubjuggle T/C' 18:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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