Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Performance Clothing

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Propose for deletion per WP:NOTE, specifically SIGCOV. Appears all web references used within this article are dead. WP:BEFORE search did not turn up anything substantial. SkippyKR (talk) 17:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Clearly doesn't meet any notability guideline.Brayan ocaner (talk) 19:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Unsure: I have updated the URL of their website in the article.[https://www.performance-clothing.com/] A Google search for '"Performance Clothing" Llandrindod Wells' gives the websites of several schools, for which they are authorised uniform suppliers. Google Streetview at their address indicates that they occupy a substantial building that has their name on the front, indicating that they are not just a small shop.[https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2538033,-3.3706472,3a,75y,126.83h,78.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAu61MLhRmTfmw4gFgm2l1g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192] I have not found anything substantial to confirm notability, but this could be because their name is not very distinctive for web searches. Verbcatcher (talk) 19:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• :The company appears to be associated with professional motorsport companies as well, including Citroen, Toyota, and Hyundai. That said, I would argue against the idea that being a clothing vendor for other major companies nessecerally indicates notability. SkippyKR (talk) 20:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• ::Who they supply is not an indication of notability - regardless of high profile their clients are. The only time when their clients affect notability is if there are reliable, secondary sources which discuss the company because of their clients. SSSB (talk) 10:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete- Does not meet notability guidelines. Notable clients can not be considered as a criterion of notability.Mommmyy (talk) 08:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: The web references might be dead, but it's possible that there still exist print versions of those articles considering that Western Mail is a newspaper. Per WP:PUBLISHED, {{tq|an archived copy of the media must exist. It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet.}} As a result, I really am unsure that this fails WP:NCORP, given that such a newspaper is very likely to have a print archive. I'll look into it more to try to find those articles, though I can't !vote for now until I search a bit deeper. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. After a quick check, there are archives of print sources that provide WP:SIGCOV to the business itself:
• #There are archived versions of the Western Mail story available via WP:LIBRARY. The article, written in Western Mail on 18 March 18 2005, provides in-depth coverage of the business and describes it as "one of the world's leading distributors for a range of rally and Formula 1 motor racing teams." There's even a quote from then-Economic Development Minister Andrew Davies regarding the business's success.
• #Another source referred to in the article is an article titled "Expansion drive by motor clothing firm; Sportswear maker to recruit at new site", which was published in the Daily Post on 16 March 2005. The source, also available through WP:LIBRARY, provides in-depth coverage of Performance Clothing UK Ltd to Wales, following a grant issued from the "Welsh European Funding Office".

:These two sources, taken together, appear to satisfy the standard laid out in WP:ORGCRIT of {{tq|significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject}}. I was able (through Gale) to find a database entry for a third reference, titled "Performance Clothing is merchandise partner to European Rallycross C'ship", published by Athena Information Solutions Pvt. Ltd. in 2013. But, I can't actually access the material and, as that might well be a press release, I don't feel comfortable accounting for it in an analysis here. While it's rather hard to find other sources on this company—the company's SEO doesn't dominate "performance clothing" searches and Newspapers.com doesn't return any results for "Performance Clothing UK"—the nom's assertion that the web references are dead doesn't seem to hold water given the accessibility of the same sources via WP:LIBRARY. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

:: Here is a link to the Western Mail story.[https://www.thefreelibrary.com/%27We+took+the+plunge+and+have+never+looked+back%27.-a0130465289] SailingInABathTub (talk) 00:46, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

:::Also available in [https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/we-took-plunge-never-looked-2403259 Wales Online]. HighKing⁺⁺ 21:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Article's sources (mostly deadlinks) do not establish that WP:NCORP is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
• I have fixed the links to the newspaper sources cited in the article. Verbcatcher (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
• In 2015 they were the official clothing partner for the World Rally Championship.[https://www.wrc.com/en/news/news-archive/wrc/get-the----wrc-look----in-wales/] Verbcatcher (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. I have been unable to find any references that meet NCORP criteria, topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 21:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom, for failing WP:NCORP. Similar to people not being notable for being related to someone famous, I don't think a company can inherit notoriety simply by supplying goods to an entity. Ifnord (talk) 01:55, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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