Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Preston John Hurman

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Could not find any reliable source to why this officer is notable to be included on Wikipedia. The sources included in the article are mostly not reliable or do not exist at all. No decorations .. nothing special about this officer to meet even the general Wikipedia notability policy FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

:Keep, The sources are there, they're just not web ones (or at least most of them are not), i cant see how this fails WP:GNG. And what do you mean by "No decorations"? Please explain further :D begocc ^questions? 10:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

::{{tq|And what do you mean by "No decorations"? Please explain further}} If he had significant decorations then he could be eligible under WP:ANYBIO #1. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

:::The additional criteria says that {{tq|Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included}}, and same with the opposite. begocc ^questions? 15:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

::::Indeed. I was just answering your question about decorations. But he does not appear to be especially notable for anything. Just a man doing his job. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

:{{Re|FuzzyMagma}}.Regarding Sources I think that I am guilty of not adding urls to my sources which I am now in the process of doing.The sources do exist and they are reliable I shall keep working on this page if I am allowed to. Regarding Notability I think that the connections of events and people that he is linked to make the page useful. For instance the details of Prince Emanuel Galitzine travelling to Finland for the Winter war is mentioned in Emanuels' obituary but there is no mention or the photos shown in the Picture Post Magazine which would otherwise be lost to the historical narrative. I have now added a link to the photograph of the story. His mention in dispatches is surely a decoration? His medals are shown in a photo on FindaGrave, I have now added the url. His notable efforts during Operation Husky were singled out for praise in 3 paragraphs in the Book Malta Strikes Back. In the book "Roys Boys" he is mentioned fourteen times. His full story lodged with the Imperial War Museum makes fascinating reading and I think this page should be kept. I love the history of people and particularly those with interesting lives and their connections. MH032 (talk) 11:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep -- Sources already in article are sufficient to satisfy GNG. Nom's claim that they're not reliable is wrong. They're uniformly RS per policy. Nom's claim that some don't exist is unsupported, implausible, and without evidence is a violation of AGF and should be struck out and apologized for. It seems to be based on the fact that many of the sources aren't readily available online, but of course per WP:SOURCEACCESS there's no requirement that they be. Nom should withdraw this ill-considered AfD. Central and Adams (talk) 14:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I honestly can see absolutely no reason whatsoever why this chap is any more notable than any other officer who served in WWII. Just an average bloke who joined the army, served with honour but no especial distinction and then went back to a routine civilian job for the rest of his life. Just like countless thousands of others throughout the world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Sadly nothing notable here. A standard officer who did standard officer things. Intothatdarkness 16:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 19:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not the place for family memorials. Mccapra (talk) 23:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Sourced largely to service records and battle reports/records, rather routine soldier. Interesting biography, not rising to the level needed for notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 13:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

• Weak delete Good officer, did officer things. Interesting bio, but lots of WW2 officers had interesting stories. That doesn't imply GNG. If kept, needs a total rewrite as it reads like a family memorial with elements of a newspaper obituary. Lines like " in her valiant fight against Russia." and "A full and detailed account of 231 Malta Brigade's part in this campaign called "Roys Boys", named after the Brigade Commander Roy Urquart using personal diaries and photographs has recently been published by Christopher Jary and Hurman is mentioned 14 times." are not WP:EPSTYLE. Hemmers (talk) 15:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• KEEP -- took part in Operation Nicety, the Siege of Tobruk, Operation Market Garden, Nijmegen, Operation Turnscrew, and other battles during WWII. He was the adopted son of Betty Buzzard (https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-surrey-advertiser-county-times-mum/140651885/). Nirva20 (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
• Why does any of that make him notable? -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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