Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quinton Caruthers

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Most of this article seems to be fake. For example, other artist's recordings are listed as his work, and nothing found about him on the record companies' websites ([http://new.umusic.com/artists.aspx?Query=Quinton%20Caruthers Universal] and [http://islanddefjam.com/search.aspx?q=Quinton+Caruthers&x=28&y=5 Mercury]).

His albums below don't exist:

:*Watermark (Quinton Caruthers album)

:*Piccadilly Circus (Quinton Caruthers album)

:*Overcast (Quinton Caruthers album)

:*Easy Listening (Quinton Caruthers album)

And related articles below should be deleted too:

:*Template:Quinton Caruthers

:*:Category:Quinton Caruthers albums

:*Quinton caruthers (redirect page)

Actually one user only (user:Phrasia) created the fiction. - Discographia (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Delete I searched news archives via Google News and only two mentions from 2003 show up, seems like he actually appeared on that show and was eliminated early. The rest seems hoaxalicious, and the appearance on the American Idol clone doesn't confer notability. Hekerui (talk) 00:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Keep Well then it obviously isn't a hoax if the mentioned person is real. Other contestants have wikipedia pages and it seems that the links are sourced so I see no sense that this is a hoax, just a matter that unsourced business should be deleted that's all. Pleasantview (talk) 04:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:* I'm not sure how you can say 'I see no sense that this is a hoax', there is literally no sourced information in the article and there is plenty of information that can be seen to be false by clicking on the links (eg the singles that are in fact by other artists) or by a quick google search (eg his albums that don't seem to exist and the incredibly famous producers that it is claimed he has worked with). If you genuinely think that any of the information (other than the fact that someone of this name appeared briefly in a short lived TV show) is true then I think that you should take the time to look through the article and associated links again (particularly his MySpace page, which is quite funny in the context of this discussion!). Mah favourite (talk) 05:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Delete He does seem to have been on the TV program in question but everything else in the article seeme to be made up (or at best is completely unrecorded by any sources and so is not notable). The sources that have been provided are just to searches under his name that come back with no results. It seems clear to me that everything other than his name and brief TV appearance is some sort of hoax or joke. Mah favourite (talk) 05:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Keep I agree with Pleasantview, this article does depict a real life person. Those things which are unsourced should be deleted. But the main reason for this deletion is that this article is a hoax and it definitely isn't. He is a real musician and he has been on television appearances. Some of the article is sourced though. Phrasia (talk) 09:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Keep Material with no sources can be removed. But since it has been confirmed by two people, who are opposing this article, that this person is a real entertainer with music and television background, why should it be deleted? Please tell me and I will message you back. A hoax is something made up. The person is a real musician and the only issue is dealing with things that are not sourced. Big Brother IMDB Plus 2 (talk) 09:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Delete album pages, Keep and Improve biography page. In addition to the investigations made by the folks above, I have also found that Mr. Caruthers' albums are not available on major music retailing sites. CDs are not available at amazon.com or cduniverse.com, and downloads are not available at iTunes. This should not be the case for items from major labels like Mercury and Universal Records, and by the way the guy is not found on those company's websites either. Mr. Caruthers may have really created some albums but they do not exist in the outside world. Delete all the album pages as either hoaxes or wishful self-promotion. As for Quinton's biography page, since he is a real person I have added some editing tags and we can see if anyone comes to the rescue. Doomsdayer520 (Talk|Contribs) 09:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Comment can anyone confirm whether it is appropriate to delete unsourced material immediately (while the article is going through AfD)? I am not sure whether this is good practice or not. The links in the article just go to search pages with zero results so if these were removed it would make it more obvious to the casual observer that there are no sources in the article. This is clearly (in my opinion) a hoax in the general sense but maybe it is not a hoax by wikipedia standards as the name used is that of a real contestant from an American TV show (however the associated album articles do seem to satisfy WP:HOAX because the albums do not exist). In that case I still believe that the article should be deleted because the subject is not notable, he appeared briefly on a TV show, does not appear to have done anything notable since (as all of the other information in the article is made up and the photo is probably of someone else as shown by the myspace page linked to). I don't know whether this means that the article has to go through AfD again with WP:N as the reason. Either way I don't see how anyone can justify keeping this article in the long term (unless they believe that being unsuccessful in an unsuccessful TV show makes the subject notable). Mah favourite (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
• I would hold off, it's better to wait the whole 7 days of an AfD than rush to delete something and have the discussion devolve into process disagreement. They've been here this long they can sit for a few days.
• Delete all and Redirect Quinton Caruthers to American Juniors, and possibly protect that if eagerness overtakes good judgment again. Doing a broad search shows no reliable sources except that he did the show so a redirect to that is fine. I see nothing to source any singles or albums although I'm very open to WP:Heymann save. Otherwise this doesn't reach WP:GNG and certainly not notability under music. So fails per WP:N and WP:RS, and because he's so young could be a BLP issue as well. I removed the two LGBT cats as sexuality, especially non-heterosexuality has to be sourced on a BLP. -- Banjeboi 20:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all - he does exist but the article is full of lies & falsehoods, and what is true isn't enough to make this guy notable. GiantSnowman 20:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. Most of the content appears to be a hoax. The fact that the subject may have also legitimately appeared on a television show is not enough to establish him as notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Many people suggested that the article should be edited, but the article doens't seem like a hoax to me just that it's not written very well. Maybe a few senteces of fake information, but all that stuff should be deleted. We know that the person is a real WP:bio. Musiciansdelight (talk) 03:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• :We know he exists. There's nothing to suggest he is notable. Ironholds (talk) 10:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all - a real person, certainly, but not a notable one. Ironholds (talk) 10:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Other contestants have pages and they are notable so why can't this one be. This article not being a hoax should not be deleted. We all have come to consensus that things just have to be deleted because there are no sources to them. I also believe that this person should be noted because contestants on the show have pages as well. Please message me if you believe that what I am saying makes no sense. CenterfoldSally (talk) 10:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC) — CenterfoldSally (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

::Generally speaking, the winner of such a competition is the only person who's entitled to an article just on the basis of the TV show alone. Contestants who didn't win have to attain notability in other ways to merit articles on here; they don't get to claim notability just for having been contestants. Bearcat (talk) 02:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

• Delete all Main subject does not meet WP:MUSIC requirements, other articles do not meet WP:Verifiability requirements. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all and Redirect Quinton Caruthers to American Juniors, same as Benjiboy. If all those albums are fake then he doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. It's nice that he appeared in a TV program, but if he doesn't have any reliable sources covering him outside of his participation on the program then he doesn't merit his own article. --Enric Naval (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all and Redirect Quinton Caruthers to American Juniors per Benjiboy. It seems he exists but has no independent notability. JohnCD (talk) 22:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all and redirect as in previous comment. Albums that are unreleased are not albums. Johnuniq (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• Comment, I noticed that the creator of this article removed some of the untrue information so I have taken it upon myself to remove the rest. I will not be offended if anyone wants to reinstate any information but I feel it would be appropriate to justify any reinstatements either here or on the article's talk page. I have also noticed that the editor who added the false information to the article has contributed to this AfD discussion. I would appreciate it if you would explain why you added the false information in the first place. Any explanation that you can provide is likely to be very beneficial to the resolution of this discussion. Mah favourite (talk) 03:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
• FWIW, I'd say just assume it was a colossal misunderstanding that will hopefully never happen again. What we care about is being accurate; seemingly unsupported and contested content was removed. If it is re-added it will certainly need reliable sourcing. -- Banjeboi 16:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
• Comment: The biography article now says "He has recorded four albums which have not been released." Therefore the four album articles should be deleted with no question. All the articles in question are likely to be Orphans as well. As for the biography article, it still needs some major help with notability. Doomsdayer520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all. While it seems clear that the person himself does exist, what little about him is actually reliably sourced here wouldn't be enough to support basic notability anyway. Bearcat (talk) 02:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete all: A non-notable artist with four unreleased albums. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 14:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
• Comment: Explain what non notable is? In that case, any American Idol contestant is non notable because other than the television apperance, nothing else is said about them. So please correct me if I'm wrong. There are other people which explain that the article is sufficient enough for WP:Bio Pleasantview (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
• WP:ONEEVENT. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
• Comment: The Album pages were unlinked from main article so if the album pages could be deleted. Phrasia (talk) 19:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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