Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rocket Wheeler

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Low-level minor league baseball manager/coach. Fails WP:BASE/N and WP:GNG. I don't believe his election to the Kingston Baseball Hall of Fame is of much note, the Hall of Fame seems to be one small-mid level city's attempt to give 'gold watches' to regional persons of note. There are no sources, just external links. Has never played, managed or coached at the major league level. Alex (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• NOMINATION WITHDRAWN Somehow I completely glanced over the fact that he has 1,250+ wins as a manager. Had I seen that, I wouldn't have even done this AfD. Alex (talk) 22:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• Delete.. Non notable minor leaguer and low level minor league manager.Spanneraol (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC) Change to keep because of sources added by BBny below. Spanneraol (talk) 14:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep Perfect example of how dumb these AfDs have become. In other pending AfDs, Alex and Spanneraol are waging a fierce battle to keep the pages of a bunch of non-notable bullpen catchers, but now they want to delete the page of a guy who played in the minors for six seasons, has [http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wheele001ral managed and coached in the minors] for almost 30 years (and has won several league-level "manager of the year" awards), and was part of the Atlanta Braves' major league coaching staff for [http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071211&content_id=328849&vkey=pr_l122&fext=.jsp&sid=l122 part of the 2005 season]. But, yeah, let's delete this page while keeping a bunch of bullpen catchers. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 05:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
• Note to closing administrator Voting to keep this article merely as a response to other votes in other AfDs is not a viable reason to keep this article and the above vote should be discarded immediately. Alex (talk) 06:37, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

:::: This is more of Alex's usual trolling. The second link in my above comment establishes that Wheeler was a major league coach in 2005, which means Wheeler is presumed notable as per BASE/N, which means Alex was wrong to post this AfD, which means this AfD is dead on arrival. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 06:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

• Delete Bbny is making an inappropriate comparison between this AfD and those. In all cases, it's about sources. Here, I don't think there are enough for GNG, and he doesn't meet BASE/N. Per MilB.com, "Following his final season in Rome in 2005, Rocket was added to the Braves Major League coaching staff, where he served on the bench through the postseason." Teams routinely do that, and it doesn't count as being a member of a major league staff as per BASE/N. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

:: I agree it should be about sources, but that's not what's going on here. None of the bullpen catcher AfDs have more than one decent source; instead, people are claiming those guys are presumed notable by BASE/N under their own made-up definition of what a "coach" is. Meanwhile, where in BASE/N does it say that coaches added to the major league roster in September/October aren't presumed notable per BASE/N? But even if Wheeler isn't presumed notable under BASE/N (and I'd have no problem with that interpretation), it's almost impossible to believe that a guy who played in the minors for six years and then managed and coached in the minors for 30 YEARS doesn't have enough sources out there to pass GNG. Minor league managers get a ton of coverage these days. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 20:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep Major league coaches are notable. Kinston eagle (talk) 00:04, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. Alex (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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• NOMINATION WITHDRAWN Somehow I completely glanced over the fact that he has 1,250+ wins as a manager. Had I seen that, I wouldn't have even done this AfD. Alex (talk) 22:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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