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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smiljka Rodić

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 22:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=[[Smiljka Rodić]]=

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Non-notable fencer who is currently ranked 130th in the world, coming off of a 45th place finish at the European championships. A bronze at the Mediterranean games does not show notability because it's not considered a major competition. In fact, the international fencing organization awards zero rating points for that event. Jakejr (talk) 23:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete: The subject doesn't seem to be too notable to merit a Wikipedia article. 23 editor (talk) 02:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep - She has competed at the top level competition of her sport having fenced at the FIE [http://www.fie.ch/Competitions/ResultsList.aspx?key=987DD162924E4914940DB05CE9B61E6C World championships] in Budapest in 2013. Furthermore she has been covered in reliable sources: see [http://www.b92.net/sport/pojedinacni/macevanje.php?yyyy=2010&mm=11&dd=04&nav_id=470158], [http://www.rts.rs/page/sport/sr/story/129/Ostali+sportovi/1347956/Bronza+za+Smiljku+Rodi%C4%87.html], [http://www.prosport.ro/alte-sporturi/scrima/culoar-favorabil-pentru-branza-spadasinele-direct-pe-tabloul-de-64-11213119], [http://www.vesti-online.com/Sport/Ostali-sportovi/323411/MI-Srebro-i-za-Smiljku-Rodic-], [http://sport.blic.rs/Ostali-sportovi/235355/Smiljka-Rodic-osvojila-bronzu-u-macevanju-za-Srbiju-posle-40-godina-na-MI]. -- Whpq (talk) 13:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

::Does this mean that all 200+ men in the epee competition are automatically notable? I don't think so. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

:::No, it means that for Serbia this female competitor is notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

::::I don't know of any notability criteria where notability is based on what country you're from. That might be covered by WP:GNG, but I explained below why I don't believe she meets that. Papaursa (talk) 19:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete Finishing 60th in her division and routine sports coverage do not show notability.204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti*Let's talk!* 02:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete Her coverage consists of routine sports reporting and a 60th place finish doesn't seem notable to me.Mdtemp (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete: No significant independent coverage. SL93 (talk) 02:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep - The sources provided by Whpq easily demonstrate passing WP:GNG. Current ranking has nothing to do with notability and does not in any manner negate previous achievements. The coverage is far beyond routine "sports scores" and is in-depth. --Oakshade (talk) 15:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep - passes GNG, I am assuming those saying Delete haven't clicked the links. These are mainstream Serbian newspapers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

::To paraphrase In ictu oculi, I'm assuming those who voted Keep didn't read the links and are unfamiliar with WP:ROUTINE and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. These sources are the epitome of routine sports reporting. Let's look at the links provided by Whpq: Article 1 mentions her result on the first day of the world championships "Another Serbian representative in the French capital Smiljka Rodic ranked 112th in competition with 192 participants." Article 2 merely saws she won 2 of her 5 bouts and lost 15-3 in the Mediterranean Games semifinals. Article 3 mentions her only in a list of scheduled matches. Article 4 is the exact same article as article 2, except in Croatian instead of Serbian. Article 5 is another brief article on her performance at the Mediterranean Games. Papaursa (talk) 19:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete My previous comment explains why I believe the coverage does not meet WP:GNG. The bronze at the Mediterranean Games is not enough to show notability--she won a bronze despite losing more matches than she won in an event that the FIE doesn't even consider worth rating. I don't see what achievements Oakshade is saying make her notable. I couldn't find any specific notability criteria for fencers, but since I came across this article under a catscan search for martial arts articles, it seems reasonable to look at the martial arts criteria. There we see that being an Olympic participant, world champion, or repeated medalist at a significant event (defined as several dozen competitors from different countries) are grounds for notability. She meets none of these and merely competing at a world championship does not show notability. Papaursa (talk) 19:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete—WP:ROUTINE coverage is all that exists, per Papaursa. Livit⇑Eh?/What? 20:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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