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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snow Lian Hua

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Saussurea. J04n(talk page) 14:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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I guess it is a herb, but the translation is so bad that I hardly have a clue what the meaning of this article is. Looks beyond rescue The Banner talk 17:44, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

: Which sentences you look translation so bad? can edit again. And these were kind of flower come with herbs also had other than herb. Actually now got sell in market can mix with foods to cook for healthy. Very rare traditional medicine. K.b.cheng (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

: I had already edited to improve this article grammar. I guess reader can understand meaning and words inside this article. So you can check again one more time. If no problem then can cancel nominate deletion and remove deletion template. K.b.cheng (talk) 22:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Merge to Saussurea did a little digging, and it appears that this article seems to be about the plant Saussurea Involucrata, a flower within the genus Saussurea. Searching for Saussurea involucrata redirects to Saussurea. Since the article in question does not have external references, it does not establish the Notability of this specific species. However, if User:K.b.cheng or someone else can find some references, perhaps this plant deserves its own article. Howicus (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

::Update: Google Scholar produces extensive [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=Saussurea+Involucrata&hl=en&as_sdt=0,50] results for this plant. Don't know how useful they are though. Howicus (talk) 23:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


: Ya, you are right, this flower need own article so it's named article "Snow Lian Hua". Actually not totally same with Saussurea Involucrata, this one the most better, rare, famous was called "Tianshan Saussurea Involucrata" and still got many types almost same as this species. For my survey from internet this kind of flower got one type not for people to try eat and utilize, that's very important information about this species. Also got include new types of this species that people use to make as cooking recipe, this kind of cooking recipe sell in market was very interesting and healthy good for human body. Reader must know this flower species called Saussurea Involucrata got many types, chemical will determine herb inside and also got not good plant hormones that have poison. Anyway, i perhaps can quickly delete Template:Herb of Snow Lian Hua. Next time i can create another template, request to delete this template, because i not really agree with said Herb another time should choose better title to create next template. K.b.cheng (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LlamaAl (talk) 00:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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  • Question for K.b.cheng: Is Snow Lian Hua another name for the Snow Lotus (genus Saussurea), or does it refer to one particular species? Currently Snow lotus redirects to Saussurea. [http://www.itmonline.org/jintu/snowlotus.htm This] item suggests that the name Snow lotus refers to the genus and includes multiple species. [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5222650 This] item from NPR also says that there are multiple species of snow lotus, with S. laniceps being the most prized. The Snow lotus is certainly notable, and the Saussurea article needs expansion. But if Snow Lian Hua is a synonym for Snow lotus, we don't need two articles. And if it refers to one species only, that needs to be made clear. You mentioned S. involucrata above; is that the only thing this article is about, or are you also talking about S. laniceps and others? Saussurea laniceps already has a Wikipedia article; Saussurea involucrata redirects to Saussurea but could be expanded into an article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, these was Snow Lotus. Saussurea has many type of flowers, i not really sure this Snow Lotus same flower species of Saussurea laniceps or not. Just can confirm with you this flower was Saussurea and also called as Snow Lotus.

:About delete this article depend on administrator, i don't have any command for this article to do submit deletion. K.b.cheng (talk) 18:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete, or possibly Redirect to Saussurea. I personally prefer delete, since Snow lotus, a more likely search term, is already here as a redirect. If this is about a species we don't know which one so we can't write a proper article, and if it is about the genus any confirmed information should be at the existing genus article. As for the article in its current state, most of the information is unconfirmed - which we really can't tolerate in an article that gives medical advice. There is also a big problem with WP:NOTHOWTO. --MelanieN (talk) 22:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment Based on [http://books.google.com/books?id=vH6igOcDAZgC&pg=PT378&dq=Snow+%22Lian+Hua%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FXYlUY6hLYiwigKhp4CABQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA this], I believe this is the same plant as Saussurea laniceps. If so, merge at that title? --B2C 01:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Snow Lotus (or Xue Lian Hua in Pinyin, not sure how the author choose a mixed translation) seems to be a Chinese (Not sure if it has Tibetan origin) way to catalog some Saussurea species (Saussurea laniceps Hand.-Mazz, Saussurea involucrata Kar. et Kir, Saussurea medusa Maxim) etc. The term definitely meets notability as there are a lot of research papers trying to explain its popularity in Chinese medicine via chemical analysis [http://d.wanfangdata.com.cn/Periodical_spkj200706076.aspx]. --Skyfiler (talk) 05:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Not totally same So can delete this article first. Next time maybe i try to create another one. K.b.cheng (talk) 09:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete, Look like should delete this article if already enough voted. K.b.cheng (talk) 16:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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