Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Mountain Range

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Appears to be a completely made up term to describe a collection of unrelated mountain ranges in southern Albania (Gramos, Nemercke, etc...). Term has never been used by anyone in English except article creator, and is not in use in any of the literature. Athenean (talk) 07:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep: It is a very well defined geographical term used in Albania to study that part of Albania. Every pupil in Albania from fourth grade up knows this term. And it is properly sourced. --Brunswick Dude (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

::Comment: This is an English-language encyclopedia, not a 4th grade Albanian textbook. The term is never used in reliable, English-language sources. And this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southern_Mountain_Range&action=historysubmit&diff=412684525&oldid=412683967] isn't proper sourcing. Athenean (talk) 07:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

:::Comment reply: I said from fourth grade up, meaning up to the university level textbooks and also doctorate and post-doc books. The geographical definitions in the study of the physical geography of Albania have already been translated in German [http://books.google.com/books?id=jIW4AAAAIAAJ&q=%22Krahina+Malore+Jugore%22&dq=%22Krahina+Malore+Jugore%22&hl=en&ei=QPVQTbW8OILQgAfa2NGDCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQ6wEwAw Sudliche Bergland], and I am sure that the English sources will pick it up too in google. For now this is the study of the Geography of Albania as done in Albania, and I believe that the world might be interested in knowing how the geographical regions of modern day Albania are divided and studied. You have brought this article to AfD, saying that the term is not in use in any of the literature, and I am proving you wrong: the Albanian geographical literature has vastly used the division of the geography of Albania in four main parts, this one being the southern side of it. Btw [http://www.galsh.com/img-162-_krahina_malore_jugore_jpg_.html This is a map of the geographical region]--Brunswick Dude (talk) 07:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. -- Danger 14:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep: There's no question this geographic feature exists, and is called "Krahina Malore Jugore" in Albanian. It might be better if the article was titled Southern Mountain Region (Albania). In the German version of the Geography of Albania article,[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographie_Albaniens#R.C3.A4umliche_Gliederung], the region is referred to as "Das Südliche Bergland (Krahina malore jugore)", the German phrase meaning "Southern Highlands". Doing the same for English is not unusual.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 16:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

:Agree and moved to something similar: Southern Albanian Highlands, as user:ZjarriRrethues kindly found [http://books.google.com/books?id=b3UtAQAAIAAJ&q=%22southern+Albanian+highlands%22&dq=%22southern+Albanian+highlands%22&hl=en&ei=ctFRTbCtA4ebOovqmZgI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw this source in English]. --Brunswick Dude (talk) 23:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. Let's cut to the chase here and get to the real reason why this was nominated for deletion, which is pretty obviously, from looking at her or his contributions, that the nominator is one of a group of extremist Greek nationalists who try to eradicate any content that we have about southern Albania because of a belief that that region should belong to Greece, even when the content is about geographical features that existed way before Greeks or Albanians did. The same problems are evident in articles relating to the country that nearly everyone in the world calls Macedonia, Northern Cyprus and many other such targets of hatred. Why do we pussyfoot around such issues rather than dealing with such disruption by POV-pushers? Wasn't there an arbcom case that was supposed to stop this happening with articles about the Balkan region? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

::Make another personal attack like that, and it's you who will find yourself subject to an arbcom remedy. Athenean (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

:::oooohhhh i'm sure phil is pissing his pants now. whatever. the nom stands or falls on its merits.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:26, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

::::I've seen people get sanctioned for less. And you're right, the nom should be judged on its own merits, so bridger's shrill ad-hominems (and uninformed too - I've never edited Northern Cyprus) are all the more uncalled for and unacceptable. Athenean (talk) 07:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep as per above editors. Also, I can only agree with Phil Bridger and Milowent.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep as the translation of the first title of the article was false, while English-language sources use the term southern Albanian highlands/southern mountain region.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 10:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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