Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Hillier

:{{la|Steve Hillier}} – (View AfDView log{{int:dot-separator}} [https://tools.wmflabs.org/jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Steve_Hillier Stats])

:({{Find sources AFD|Steve Hillier}})

Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. It lacks any inline citations and none of the links included in references help establish any notability, as one link is broken, the second does not have any in depth coverage and the third points to a Wikipedia page. The BLP has been tagged as needing citations since 2011. The text is full of inline external links that I will remove. Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• Weak keep [http://www.allmusic.com/artist/steve-hillier-mn0000044550/credits This] and [https://www.discogs.com/artist/14912-Steve-Hillier this] are a pretty impressive list of credits. The problem is that producers tend to keep themselves in the background and not do too much press. At a very last this should be a redirect to Dubstar. Black Kite (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
• Keep it, see how much can be sourced, and if it isn't much, merge/redirect it to Dubstar. --Michig (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Delete This should not be a keep at all, the reason this guy's credits look so impressive is because they've had Steve Hellier (different spelling from the band Death in Vegas https://www.discogs.com/artist/67724-Steve-Hellier) included with them. He has worked with Saint Etienne etc. whereas this guy is the one that used to play the keyboard in Dubstar. That band's entry if sufficient for this. Plus the self-referenced advertising that was removed tells us who created the page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.137.102 (talk) 18:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

:* Except that I can't find any sources that say Hellier is the one who did that work. Indeed, Hellier appears to have no credits at all at Allmusic, whereas his Discogs one contains mainly his Death In Vegas stuff. I can't see that the two have been confused. Also, Hillier was clearly not just "the one that used to play the keyboard in Dubstar", as the list of credits that are sourced will tell you. Black Kite (talk) 08:18, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

:* Agreed. I can't find any sources that say Hellier is the one who did that work either and also can't see that the two have been confused, or that there has been any attempt to confuse the two. 82.132.219.70 08:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.219.70 (talk)

The discogs credits are not clear at all, reflecting the fact they are, like wikipedia, crowd sourced:

Note the remixer section here:

https://musicbrainz.org/artist/5b32946a-4c08-4a75-b1b1-60700470671f/relationships

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/death-in-vegas/credits/

I'd have to post a photo of the credits I suppose but:

http://www.pmachinery.com/modules/news/index.php?start=1560&storytopic=1

references it.

I strongly disagree that the referenced credits are not mixed as referenced by the Death in Vegas claim on here:

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/steve-hillier-mn0000044550/credits

... and looking at the wikipedia article, I strongly agree with the Roger 8 Roger revision of 22 November removing the self-referenced advertising about:

"Outside of his music career, Hillier is also a founding director of Man Bites Dog, the most award winning B2B PR company in the UK [http://www.manbitesdog.com/about/awards]"

which is obviously self-referencing and posted by the subject of the page himself...

Strong delete! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.137.102 (talk) 07:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

• Merge/redirect to Dubstar. Although he has credits, and is a writer/journalist (hence some of the hits for his name) and teacher/lecturer, as well as performing with Dubstar, I don't see evidence of in-depth third-party coverage of Hillier in his own right which would be needed to establish notability. Just being in a successful band isn't enough to be independently notable. Colapeninsula (talk) 10:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Delete and let the mention on the Dubstar page cope with the merging. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a parallel data structure for discogs or allmusic. If he'd been in more than one band I think this would be justified. It's the equivalent of the guy who did the accounts on a few movies having his own Wikipedia entry, a note on the band page is sufficient. There is no place for other business interests, no matter how "award winning" they are from the edits... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 54.84.62.201 (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

• Keep it. It seems that this page hasn't been updated in a while, it's notoriously difficult to source citations for producer's work and even harder for songwriters. But doing a quick Google search it's clear Hillier has been involved in more than is stated here. Go with the deletion of advertising which was bizarre and update to include references to the other work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.184.14 (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 18:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 18:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

• Redirect to Dubstar per above L3X1 (distant write) 14:53, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

{{clear}}

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.