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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Templar's Secret

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. The original ed withdrew the article & there were no substantial contributions otherwise, I consider it a reasonable decision DGG ( talk ) 22:13, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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Unreferenced article about book written by author that has no article smileguy91talk 13:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Comment. There being no article for the author is not relevant. It's normal for a book to have more coverage than its author: book reviews are much more common than features on authors. Dricherby (talk) 18:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. jonkerz ♠talk 18:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Rewrite as an article about the author and then consider notability again. A notable author is one who writes notable books, and the reviews that make the books notable, also show notability for the author The author in this case has written [http://www.worldcat.org/wcidentities/lccn-no2009-200892 several books], & one at least of them is more important than this one, based on the library holdings. Normally, if there is only a single article, it should be about the author, Certainly the importance of an author who has written a notable book and other things also is more notable than the single book; even where there is only one book, anyone who writes a successful book, is likely to write other books also and so the article always has the potential for expansion. An article about a book rarely has such potential. I reserve judgment on whether the author is notable until the article is written. It will, as always, depend on the reviews & other sources. DGG ( talk ) 20:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar · · 06:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Move to C.M. Palov and redraft as an article about the author and her other books. I don't think the book itself is notable but there seems to be a few things about the author and as DGG points out, she has written other (arguably more well-known) books. Stalwart111 07:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable, Not savalgeable in its current form. If a properly-sourced article about the author is ever created, this work can be mentioned there. Plutonium27 (talk) 18:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 20:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Comment: I just want to note that I'm working on an article for the author and so far... there isn't actually anything out there to really verify notability enough for her to have an article. I'm finding brief, trivial mentions and the odd trade review, but not really anything that would show she passes WP:AUTHOR. Lists such as [http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2013/02/03/85950/ this one] state she sells well, but the thing is that selling well and being popular doesn't always guarantee notability. She appears to have the same issue that I run into with a lot of niche authors in that they're known and even end up on bestselling lists, but they never actually gain a lot of coverage. (Such as a romance author landing on the NYT bestselling list for paperbacks on multiple occasions, but never actually gaining any in-depth reviews or articles about them.) I'm so far arguing against creating a page for the author on this basis. I'll mine a little longer, but so far she's just your typical non-notable niche author. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete and recommend against an author article. There's really not enough out there to merit an article for the author. I've created a stub article in my userspace here and as you can see, there really isn't anything out there about her. Not enough for an article, in any case. There are a few trade reviews and one article by the Bangkok Post, but not really anything else. There just isn't enough to merit an article for the book or its author and I'd recommend against creating an author page, as that'd just end up being sent to AfD itself. I'll hold on to the author page in my userspace, but I'll just say that from experience if an author's series doesn't make a splash upon entry, it's usually unlikely that further releases will gain it either. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.