Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Un'amore e una vendetta

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No corresponding article as linked, unsourced, not notable fails WP:GNG Flat Out let's discuss it 12:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

{{UAA|c}} Inquisitively I feel that WP:CSD#A1 could possibly fit this article. MM ("Well? What have you got to report?") ^{("My new invention!")} 15:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

:Nope. Even the one sentence article that was first nominataed gave just enough context to allow the article's topic to be determine. A1 does not apply. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 22:35, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Keep for now Even if there are not any reliable sources, it could be updated. Rinfoli {*Di§cu$$ with me"#} 15:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

::*Comment Rinfoli what does that mean? The article is either notable or it isnt and this one has no sources. On what basis are you voting for keep? Flat Out let's discuss it 11:11, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

:::*Comment Dear Flat Out, in fact I've added that it needs WP:V and I think this article needs a bit of time to update. Rinfoli {*Di§cu$$ with me"#} 11:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

::::Comment - Rinfoli the tv show had only 8 episodes and there are no sources. How can you possibly vote to keep a non notable article Flat Out let's discuss it 11:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

:::":*Comment I have written "KEEP FOR NOW". We should grant this article sufficient time.Rinfoli {*Di§cu$$ with me"#} 11:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

::::::Why? It fails WP:GNG. What policy or guideline are you using to support your vote? Flat Out let's discuss it

• Do not delete, because there is already the italian one. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_amore_e_una_vendetta. It should need an English one. I also think that we must give more time for refresh that article. Miyole (talk) 16:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

:*Comment - without a source it fails Wikipedia:Notability (media). Flat Out let's discuss it 02:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete. I couldn't find any significant sources. As FlatOut says, if a television show doesn't attract any media attention after 8 episodes, it's probably not ready for our notability guidelines. There's not enough to the article to userfy or anything. Moswento ^talky 09:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

{{comment}} Article that's no good and on another wiki. Does this have an A2 qualification?

• Delete if failing A2. MM (I did the who in the whatnow?) ^{(I did this! Me!)} 21:13, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

{{comment}} The title of the article was wrong: it should be "Un Amore e una vendetta" (Amore is male, then we use Un, not Una => Un' in Italian). Now I moved it. Under the real title there are plenty of sources on google. Alex2006 (talk) 05:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Keep, but someone has to work on it. Alex2006 (talk) 12:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
• Either wording of the title shows the same results on Google. Can you highlight some of these "plenty of sources" please? I'm not seeing them. Moswento ^talky 13:25, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
• For example [http://www.sorrisi.com/2011/11/24/alessandro-preziosi-spiega-il-successo-di-un-amore-e-una-vendetta-%C2%ABla-gente-ha-bisogno-di-eroi%C2%BB/ this one]. "Sorrisi e canzoni" is one of the most important italian TV magazine. I did not watch it (actually, I don't have a television :-)), but from relatives I heard that in Italy this serie had a good success. Alex2006 (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
• Very nice find, but still not convinced. As an interview, it's not a truly independent source, and we need multiple independent reliable sources to establish notability. It's certainly an indication that other sources might exist, but I really cannot find them. I can find self-published blogs, I can find download sites, I can find TV listings, I can find [http://www.style.it/star/luci-della-ribalta/2011/10/20/ascolti--la-donna-che-ritorna-straccia-un-amore-e-una-vendetta-.aspx this article] mentioning that episode 3 had 4 million viewers. But where are the newspaper reviews? Where is the critical commentary? They may be out there, but until I see them my vote stays at 'Delete'. Moswento ^talky 09:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
• I've also now found [http://www.leichic.it/eventi/tv-chic/alessandro-prezioni-e-anna-valle-nella-fiction-un-amore-e-una-vendetta-7727.html this] from a women's magazine published by Nano Press, who claim to be a legitimately registered news source with editorial control over content. One more good source would probably tempt me to change my vote. Moswento ^talky 09:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
• What about [http://www.fictionitaliane.com/?s=un+amore+e+una+vendetta this one]? It is a web site specialized in fictions...Alex2006 (talk) 16:16, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete as non notable TV show. →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 01:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
• Keep: Come on people, why was so much time wasted on this discussion, when all it took was 10 minutes for someone (me) to spruce it up and add references. It was a primetime drama on a major Italian network, its clearly notable.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:42, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Strong Keep per WP:HEY and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Un_amore_e_una_vendetta&diff=607447521&oldid=604290855 massive improvements] since first nominated, showing the topic as sourcable and meeting WP:N. WP:CSB anyone? For an Italian television series, Italian language sources are just fine. And pardon me some of you, and with respects, but did any one actually even look to the equivalent (and with far more content) [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUn_amore_e_una_vendetta Italian Wikipedia] article first, to determine sourcability in Italian? User:Milowent deserves the thanks of all in this discussion. Kudos. Excellent job. 22:35, 10 May 2014 (UTC)Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.}
• Is that the Italian Wikipedia article sourced entirely to the blog of a single TV critic? Yes, I did look at that, thanks for asking. Moswento ^talky 08:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

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